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It’s official: Google+ will be connected to everything
- eliasmacpherson 15y agoI don't think it's just google+. I noticed my gmail account logging me into youtube yesterday. I've avoided opening a google+ account so as to avoid that kind of thing from happening, I have remained logged out of my gmail account since.
- anedisi 15y agoi love the absolute shit of gmail, and im in this situation where i am willing to pay for it to not bother me to with g+ youtube. I do not want to go back to thunderbird but gmail is creeping me more and more. The best part is i recommended it to all my friends and stood on googles side on more then one occasion. Is there a space for a startup that will make a gmail alternative. There is toons of saas startups but none in this space.
- eliasmacpherson 15y agoMaybe I'll find some nice command line email client that I can get to work on different OSes/cross platform. That's the main head scratcher for now, it was too easy to forget just how well gmail as a web app works on any given system. Friends have offered me money to set up an email service for them, they'd trust me before google. It's not sufficient motivation for me. At least they know what they signed up for. At the moment I don't mind using google's infrastructure, I have had an overhanging inclination to get away from their services since Buzz happened. Convenience prevailed! Even without the new auto signup/login, they already have my IP indexed usage stats which could be joined on my gmail logged in IP address/cookie, but to have it out in the open like this probably allows third parties to go looking for it. This new development is linking your real name with what you consume on youtube. I have no interest in giving up that info so easily.
- mtogo 15y agohttp://fastmail.fm/ http://fastmail.fm/ http://tuffmail.com/ http://tuffmail.com/
- pontiacred 15y agoI was a but creeped out when they automatically logged me in to youtube. After I found out there was no way to log out of youtube without logging out of Google Reader and Gmail, I am checking my RSS feeds and email a lot less. There should be an option to opt out, it's ridiculous.
- pestaa 15y agoLast time I checked, there was a way to unlink your Youtube account from the Google one, so it may worth a check, but no guarantees here as Google changed a lot on this front lately.
- bhrgunatha 15y agohttp://www.youtube.com/my_account_unlink http://www.youtube.com/my_account_unlink I unlinked mine a long time ago - so I'm not sure if this still works.
- Wilya 15y agoJust tried it, and you can indeed unlink the accounts. But you can't login with just a youtube account. You need a Google account. Still useful to relink to a throwaway account instead of the main gmail account. But I'm not sure the multiple account will let you stay logged in correctly..
- pestaa 15y agoI'm logged in to 3 different Google accounts all the time.
- stfu 15y agoYou might want to try netvibes.com as an alternative to using Google for its RSS feature. It has some nice features, for example being able to Tweet an RSS headline directly out of the interface. /not affiliated, just some hardcore user
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- blauwbilgorgel 15y agoI don't like this one bit. I was on Youtube and noticed I was logged in. Then when I logged out on a "Video Sharing Site", I was logged out of my "E-Mail Program" that was open in another tab too. I was scared for a second that a public Youtube profile had been made from my gmail-address, so people can view my last log-ins. I also looked, to no avail, at a way to disconnect my personal Gmail-account from Youtube. I will miss the personalization. But for me this too will mean less browsing while logged into Google services. It is not the same scale like Spotify requiring a Facebook account, but it is close enough to make me cringe and worry about my favorite online services.
- pyre 15y agoIt should just mean browsing Gmail in a 'Private Mode' Chrome/Firefox window.
- jamesbritt 15y agoIt should just mean browsing Gmail in a 'Private Mode' Chrome/Firefox window. That's a good idea, though still not quite frictionless enough for lazy people like me. It's a bigger issue when I'm just browsing around and click a link that takes me to YouTube. What's needed (as someone else here suggested, more or less) is an add-on smart enough to recognize a set of domains and always follow these links by creating a private mode window.
- Gormo 15y agoI'd really like a way of setting up multiple persistent browser sandboxes in Firefox or Chrome, so I can have separate sets of logged-in accounts associated with each. Browse Facebook and related sites in one window, Google products in another, and use a third for general web-browsing, all persistent across sessions, but without any sandbox knowing what's going on in any other.
- eliasmacpherson 15y agoI don't like having multiple browser windows opened though. It just dawned on me that Gmail was the only reason I was not using private mode full time. Now my browser is in private mode from start up. I've just moved to using Empathy and Evolution(ugh) to check mail. I'd be interested in getting a command line version of the two up.
- stfu 15y agoScared the shit out of me as well and I absolutely hate it. The sad thing is: There would be an easy solution to solve this trickery. Just giving Firefox a right click option. Not "open in new window", not "open in new tab" but "open in clean (aka cookie free) window". With I had the coding skills to realize that. Or is there already something similar out?
- eurleif 15y agoChrome has a "Open Link in Incognito Window" option.
- magicalist 15y agoI think the number of people that use private browsing/incognito mode for this purpose makes it obvious that something is needed. Mozilla and google talked a lot about various proposals around "identity" being managed in the browser rather than via websites starting about a year ago. Mozilla's BrowserID focused more on a really good way of managing a single identity (per Firefox profile), whereas Chrome's MultiProfiles were focused on easily switching between multiple profiles with separate cookies, history, passwords, etc (whether that's for multiple people or a single person with multiple but separate needs online). Multi-profiles seem good for your need...you can stay signed in with a persistent google cookie in one window (maybe just keeping gmail open), while doing all your regular surfing without the cookie in another window, under a different profile. Both are still in development though. I don't see multi-profiles in about:flags in chrome, and some poking around shows you might need to run chrome with a command flag, which is a pain. Reviewers seem to like it, though. edit: it's not a nice integrated browser function, but I guess you could get equivalent functionality by just running different Firefox instances with different profiles. I don't know if there are any problems with that approach, though.
- yalogin 15y agoGoogle, from another view, is trying to standardize on one id(google+) across all it's systems. It makes their data mining results better hence better targeted ads. Wonder when they will announce that Buzz is dead
- pestaa 15y agoI wondered about the same thing, but seeing Buzz incorporated into G+, I jumped to the conclusion it won't be deprecated soon.
- DanielRibeiro 15y agoWell, I can imagine google linking +1 with likes on Youtube, like/share/star On google reader, star on google groups and so on. If so, it will also make google plus a lot more useful, as your interactions on Google+ already affect, in a positive way IMHO, your Google search results. The privacy implications are enormous though.
- ashrust 15y agoThis is the next logical step. Most people are already performing social and stream worthy actions all over google properties, it makes sense for them to provide users with a public forum for their display. Although I'm still not sure google has easy route to mass collection of the holy grail of social content: photos.
- shithead 15y agoGoogle+ is Google itself. Hey, Larry Page, read my lips: DO NOT WANT! No one wants Big Brother watching their every move, forcing a single ID on mail, maps, search, videos, blogs, etc. Asses may well just have signed the Google death warrant.
- rmrm 15y agomost normal people that use a google account already have a single account they use for gmail, google maps, google search, youtube, etc. They have long had account integration across properties. What they have never had was very much of a functional integration across properties.
- eliasmacpherson 15y agoI disagree, I'd wager most people that use a google account already use it only for gmail, as there's little interest in logging in to their other services.
- rmrm 15y agomy point is that most people dont create a different google account for each google service they use. They use one account, for however many google services they do use. my sister uses her account for gmail and picasa and for uploading to youtube. my dad uses his account for gmail, picasa, and android market. my mom uses just gmail as, or if, people add Google services, they use their one account. The only normal person use case for creating more accounts is for having two accounts with one service, i.e. 2 gmails, 2 picasas, 2 youtubes, etc.
- eliasmacpherson 15y agoMy point is that 'most people' I refer to didn't create different google accounts, they created a singular gmail account. You seem to be focused on 'active user' accounts, the google account with gmail is now 'contagious' and is automatically signing you up for stuff that you never signed up for before: e.g. youtube.
- avallark 15y agoI think its time to de-couple ourselves from providers like Google, facebook, twitter. I for one am not very comfortable in getting into a 1984 situation!
- binaryorganic 15y agoExcept my Apps account.
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- wnight 15y agoMy gmail account isn't under my real name. I imagine Google will kill it at some point despite me having signed up before G+. It's funny, I thought G+ could be the social network to replace FB and now it looks like I'll probably leave Google to avoid it. Weird.
- shithead 15y agoThat creep Zuckerberg must be laughing his ass off. He could not have bought such a dumb move to help keep users on F_c_book.
- shithead 15y agohttp://uncrunched.com/2011/10/01/brutal-dishonesty/ http://uncrunched.com/2011/10/01/brutal-dishonesty/ : "A method is described for tracking information about the activities of users of a social networking system while on another domain." – Facebook Patent application dated September 22, 2011 Creeps and liars. Google must be shooting for just sincerely creepy. Competitive advantage there.
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- jamesaguilar 15y ago> I imagine Google will kill it at some point This seems fantastically unlikely (one might say FUD-ish) given their numerous public statements to the contrary, e.g. in this article: http://www.zdnet.com/blog/networking/google-revises-google-real-name-management-policy/1278 http://www.zdnet.com/blog/networking/google-revises-google-r...
- tybris 15y agoMy uncle's Google account was just shut down after they asked his age (for "personalization") and he filled in 1-1-2000, which is under 18. He had to send them a copy of his passport to reopen the account.
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- superuser2 15y ago>"and the things that I give a +1 to are affecting my search as well." What did the author think that button was for?
- Joeboy 15y agoI signed up at http://diasp.org http://diasp.org for a Diaspora account a couple of weeks ago. It's noticeably not quite finished but it seems to work well enough. It now has enough of my friends on it that it's worth going there now and again. Diaspora often seems to attract bad vibes on HN but I'm hoping it'll take off.
- danmaz74 15y agoFrom a privacy point of view, Google was already perfectly able to connect the dots of what all its users did on its services long before Plus: single sign-on was perfectly sufficient to do that. Having plus doesn't make it any easier or more difficult. So, technically, Google could already have collected all those data and sold them to the advertisers before plus. What I hope that Google will guarantee, related to G+, is a complete control over which of those dots can become public; if G+ is an identity service (whatever that might mean) I want to have control over what I show of my identity and to whom. Something where I'm willing to cut some more slack to Google than to Facebook, given their track records, but not so much more.
- jamesbritt 15y ago* Something where I'm willing to cut some more slack to Google than to Facebook, given their track records, but not so much more.* I'm on the fence about that. So far I've given Google the benefit of the doubt. But it's quite plausible the evil bit will flip, so prudence tells me to start now weaning off Google services and diversify.
- joe_the_user 15y agoI was willing to cut Google slack than other companies. But they exhausted that slack supply when they cut-off their own ex-employees for using well-established pseudonyms. The concept of an "identity server" is unacceptable for any idea of freedom. I might hate the US government but I do hypothetically have some democratic rights in exchange for the DMV being the current "identity server" in this region. For any private entity to say "you must give me your stuff and I hope to keep it secret" without me having any leverage over them is ... (excuse my repeating)... unacceptable.
- fl3tch 15y agoThe DMV database is not publicly searchable by the whole world. That's an important distinction. Remember those dystopian visions of the future where microchips would be inserted under people's skin so they could be tracked? That future is here, no forced microchipping required. People are volunteering for it in droves as they buy smart phones (and use social networks). I don't understand why people get so upset over things like National ID cards, and then turn right around and give all their private info to Google and Facebook. You already have a national ID number. Several, actually. They are your cell phone number, your Facebook account number, and your Gmail address, among others.
- csmt 15y agoI started keeping separate browsers for my gmail,FB accounts and the rest of the web. I signed up on Gmail to use the email, not for my identity management/profile for other things (say ad targeting). Google should let us choose disconnect our gmail, google+, youtube accounts.
- darasen 15y agoI am certain the next step will be when they use Google+ "likes" (or whatever) to determine page rank. I, for one, find it troubling how much Google can dictate the success of a web based business.
- naner 15y agoThis is creepy not because I think Google is malicious, but because they aren't smart enough to handle privacy well. Also this: http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/09/30/us-internet-security-idUSTRE78T2GY20110930 http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/09/30/us-internet-securi...
- RyanKearney 15y agoExcept Google Apps.
- markkat 15y agoI'm a fan of G+. However, I wrote a post about this about three months ago (http://hubski.com/pub?id=2069 http://hubski.com/pub?id=2069), and I still feel the same way. IMHO, this is not only going to change the nature of Google, but in the end, it will change their definition of innovation. -When every product is wrapped in social, it changes what every product can be.