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Russia will be greatly hurt overall by all of these sanctions and corporate decisions. Still, it's striking how many of the American companies pulling their pro

Russia will be greatly hurt overall by all of these sanctions and corporate decisions. Still, it's striking how many of the American companies pulling their products from Russia sell things that weaken and enervate the people who consume them. I personally would probably be better off if I lost access to all Coca-Cola products. Likewise for Netflix, Instagram, etc. It doesn't say anything good for America that so many of its big companies fall into that category.

long_time_gone 5y ago
> It doesn't say anything good for America that so many of its big companies fall into that category. The big companies of America fall into every category, not just the ones you cherry-picked. You could have easily mentioned GE, Intel, MSFT, Apple, Target, Lowe's, Home Depot, Ford, GM, Kroger, Walgreens, Deere, Oracle, Caterpillar, and a bunch of other as-big companies. Those companies each have higher revenues than Coca-Cola, Instagram, or Netflix.
LegitShady 5y ago
Chinese companies will fill all of these gaps as soon as they can and that will be that.
sithadmin 5y ago
>many of the American companies pulling their products from Russia sell things that weaken and enervate the people who consume them As for food products - let's not pretend that off the shelf native alternatives like kvass (or beer) are much better - they're still chock-full of simple carbs that lend themselves to obesity and insulin resistance.
- ajsnigrutin 5y ago
  Well yeah, but buying kvas instead of cocacola is better for russian industry, and worse for american industry. USA/EU stopping imports of kvas would probably hurt them more, but they probably don't import any significant quantities of those.
- 0x737368 5y ago
  How dare you speak in such disrespectful manner to kvass, you philistine! On a serious note, most of store bought kvass might as well be Coca Cola but the real thing is good for you - it's a Russian kombucha. The sugar gets all used up in the process of fermentation and the bacteria are good for you.
  - pmoriarty 5y ago
    I'd like to see some credible evidence that it's any better than beer, which is also made through fermentation.
    - aaaaaaaaata 5y ago
      Beer can be good for you in proper volume.
    - krageon 5y ago
      IIRC kombucha is barely alcoholic, the fermentation mostly makes it fizzy.
      - pmoriarty 5y ago
        I wasn't asking about kombucha. I was asking about kvas.
        krageon 5y ago
        Yes, and the poster said it was "russian kombucha".
ajsnigrutin 5y ago
CocaCola will be replaced by local drinks, netflix etc. by piracy, facebook etc. with VK.com, and china will replace the hardware (eg xiaomi/huawei instead of iphones). The disruption will probably be lower than in it was during the peak of supply chain issues during the first covid waves, just with enough toilet paper and yeast, and less of the stuff that isn't really that mandatory for normal day-to-day life. On the other hand, europe will freeze without russian gas, and oil prices will make everything even more expensive worldwide. The winner of all of this? China, with cheap russian gas (that russia will be forced to sell them, because they have noone else to sell it to) and more products/gardgets/stuff sold, with eu/usa imports stopped. And the loser? Average joe, again.
- myth_drannon 5y ago
  Not to mention potential famine in Africa/SE Asia. Russia/Ukraine combined wheat exports are 25% of total.
  - cronix 5y ago
    Now look at how much fertilizer Russia produces (~23% global supply of ammonia, 14% of urea and 21% of potash). That affects a lot more than just wheat. Food costs are going to soar way beyond what they currently are, world-wide. > Natural gas is a commonly used as a feedstock to produce two nitrogen-based fertilizers – ammonia and urea – in large quantities. > In the production of ammonia or urea, natural gas is processed at an upgrading plant together with nitrogen (taken from the air). During the process, 80% of the gas is used as feed¬stock for fertilizer, while the remaining 20% is used for heat and electricity production. The two main end products, ammonium nitrate and urea, are then mixed with other ingredients—mainly phosphorus and potassium—to manufacture a range of synthetic fertilizers for use on farms. https://context.capp.ca/articles/2020/pirl-fertilizers/ https://context.capp.ca/articles/2020/pirl-fertilizers/
    - Fatnino 5y ago
      Easy fix is for the west to forbid anyone to sell food to China. China can drink Russia's cheap oil and eat Russia's scarse, expensive food while the rest of the world has stomachs full of the food that would have gone to China.
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BigComrade 5y ago
The companies pulling out of Russia will lose revenue. That is an objective fact. They are cutting off their nose to spite their face. On the flip side, this isn’t that bad for Russia. Multinational corporations suck the life out of medium and small businesses. Such a mass exodus of goods and services gives the people of Russia an opportunity to establish their own homegrown businesses, which is empowering.
trash3 5y ago
Not to mention the whole addiction factor of their products. Won't be good for moral.

long_time_gone 5y ago

> It doesn't say anything good for America that so many of its big companies fall into that category. The big companies of America fall into every category, not just the ones you cherry-picked. You could have easily mentioned GE, Intel, MSFT, Apple, Target, Lowe's, Home Depot, Ford, GM, Kroger, Walgreens, Deere, Oracle, Caterpillar, and a bunch of other as-big companies. Those companies each have higher revenues than Coca-Cola, Instagram, or Netflix.

LegitShady 5y ago

Chinese companies will fill all of these gaps as soon as they can and that will be that.

sithadmin 5y ago

>many of the American companies pulling their products from Russia sell things that weaken and enervate the people who consume them As for food products - let's not pretend that off the shelf native alternatives like kvass (or beer) are much better - they're still chock-full of simple carbs that lend themselves to obesity and insulin resistance.

ajsnigrutin 5y ago
Well yeah, but buying kvas instead of cocacola is better for russian industry, and worse for american industry. USA/EU stopping imports of kvas would probably hurt them more, but they probably don't import any significant quantities of those.
0x737368 5y ago
How dare you speak in such disrespectful manner to kvass, you philistine! On a serious note, most of store bought kvass might as well be Coca Cola but the real thing is good for you - it's a Russian kombucha. The sugar gets all used up in the process of fermentation and the bacteria are good for you.
- pmoriarty 5y ago
  I'd like to see some credible evidence that it's any better than beer, which is also made through fermentation.
  - aaaaaaaaata 5y ago
    Beer can be good for you in proper volume.
  - krageon 5y ago
    IIRC kombucha is barely alcoholic, the fermentation mostly makes it fizzy.
    - pmoriarty 5y ago
      I wasn't asking about kombucha. I was asking about kvas.
      - krageon 5y ago
        Yes, and the poster said it was "russian kombucha".

ajsnigrutin 5y ago

CocaCola will be replaced by local drinks, netflix etc. by piracy, facebook etc. with VK.com, and china will replace the hardware (eg xiaomi/huawei instead of iphones). The disruption will probably be lower than in it was during the peak of supply chain issues during the first covid waves, just with enough toilet paper and yeast, and less of the stuff that isn't really that mandatory for normal day-to-day life. On the other hand, europe will freeze without russian gas, and oil prices will make everything even more expensive worldwide. The winner of all of this? China, with cheap russian gas (that russia will be forced to sell them, because they have noone else to sell it to) and more products/gardgets/stuff sold, with eu/usa imports stopped. And the loser? Average joe, again.

myth_drannon 5y ago
Not to mention potential famine in Africa/SE Asia. Russia/Ukraine combined wheat exports are 25% of total.
- cronix 5y ago
  Now look at how much fertilizer Russia produces (~23% global supply of ammonia, 14% of urea and 21% of potash). That affects a lot more than just wheat. Food costs are going to soar way beyond what they currently are, world-wide. > Natural gas is a commonly used as a feedstock to produce two nitrogen-based fertilizers – ammonia and urea – in large quantities. > In the production of ammonia or urea, natural gas is processed at an upgrading plant together with nitrogen (taken from the air). During the process, 80% of the gas is used as feed¬stock for fertilizer, while the remaining 20% is used for heat and electricity production. The two main end products, ammonium nitrate and urea, are then mixed with other ingredients—mainly phosphorus and potassium—to manufacture a range of synthetic fertilizers for use on farms. https://context.capp.ca/articles/2020/pirl-fertilizers/ https://context.capp.ca/articles/2020/pirl-fertilizers/
  - Fatnino 5y ago
    Easy fix is for the west to forbid anyone to sell food to China. China can drink Russia's cheap oil and eat Russia's scarse, expensive food while the rest of the world has stomachs full of the food that would have gone to China.

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BigComrade 5y ago

The companies pulling out of Russia will lose revenue. That is an objective fact. They are cutting off their nose to spite their face. On the flip side, this isn’t that bad for Russia. Multinational corporations suck the life out of medium and small businesses. Such a mass exodus of goods and services gives the people of Russia an opportunity to establish their own homegrown businesses, which is empowering.

trash3 5y ago

Not to mention the whole addiction factor of their products. Won't be good for moral.