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Google purchasing and expanding its Warsaw office for $700M
- w_t_payne 5y agoOpportunities for technology professionals who want to escape Russia?
- HarryHirsch 5y ago
- ekanes 5y agoAnother take would be providing jobs to refugees who just fled. More job options is better for people than fewer.
- saalweachter 5y agoA third take is that this decision has probably taken six months to make, negotiate and finalize and is probably unrelated to the news of the last 2-4 weeks.
- culturestate 5y agoEven six months seems like a pretty quick timeline for this, frankly.
- HarryHirsch 5y ago
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- machiaweliczny 5y agoI was waiting for that as don't want to move my ass. I guess they want to poach some of Ukraine contractors (AFAIK lots of people work for around $50K with 5% tax there and they are quite good). Rates in Google Poland seem to be $7K/month which is upper market but you get 32% (+ recent 7%) tax >= $40K (progressive)). But it's much better if one needs mortgage. It also helps that Warsaw Uni is quite good [0](13th this time but they are often 1st). I was scared to go there and be forced to study too much xD but seems like Wrocław Uni is also strong (5th). TBH if I knew better back then I would probably go to MIT instead (or maybe not). [0] - https://icpc.global/worldfinals/results https://icpc.global/worldfinals/results
- paganel 5y agoThere’s also lots of talent in neighboring Belarus, where Google indirectly has a presence through their acquisition of Fitbit (or had, not sure if their office is open anymore after the recent events in there). Sort of glad though that they didn’t decide to expand their small office they have here in Bucharest (also through the Fitbit acquisition), the local real estate market was getting quite heated regardless so extra gentrification brought by behemoths like Google extending their presence wouldn’t have helped.
- sam_lowry_ 5y agoAFAIK Google also has EPAM employees from Belarus as external contractors.
- durnygbur 5y agoepam, akveo, luxoft... cheap workforce under authoritarian rule is too sweet to resist. Now kryndrylyl is trending, or whatever is its name.
- salmonlogs 5y agoYep, lots of EPAM contractors working for Google
- 988747 5y ago
- antattack 5y agoThis is the next step in work from home movement - outsourcing to lower wage countries. No visa required.
- unicornfinder 5y agoOh absolutely, but what I have noticed as well is that companies in lower wage countries have started charging more as well as there's now more demand for outsourced workers.
- jakub_g 5y agoTo be more specific: for example, (non-FAANG) senior dev salaries in Poland are pretty much in line with senior dev salaries in France. Before the covid, typical senior dev net salary in Poland was around ~12-18k PLN per month, while in France it's about 3k EUR per month (a bit higher in Paris, but also more expensive). One diff is that IT folks in PL typically work on b2b contracts; the upside is lower tax, and tax deductions on car leasing (hence it's easy to get new and very nice car). Downside: minimal state pension (no one in PL believes in state pensions money being managed well).
- namdnay 5y agoYou're comparing salaries with consulting rates, there are bigger differences than pension contributions. Salaries are low in France in big part because of all the advantages that come with it - near total job security, maternity/paternity rights, sick pay etc
- sam_lowry_ 5y agoAnd a 35 hours work week.
- Yiofir 5y ago35 hours work week doesn't exist for engineers in France. We are "Cadre forfait jours" which mean we are paid by days, not by hours. Typically an engineer works from 9am to 6pm. A 45 hour work week.
- cletus 5y agoOne wonders with these big companies if the left hand knows what the right hand is doing. Seven years ago, Google closed the Krakow office (>100 engineers) mere weeks after finishing a refurbishment [1]. It's not clear to me how large this Warsaw office is or is going to be but it seems to be getting a lot of Cloud investment. [1]: http://archiwum.thenews.pl/1/12/Artykul/198936,IT-giant-Google-to-shut-down-Krakow-office http://archiwum.thenews.pl/1/12/Artykul/198936,IT-giant-Goog...
- machiaweliczny 5y agoIt's planned for 2500 employees AFAIK
- amscanne 5y agoAs noted in your link, that wasn’t a divestment. The Warsaw office already existed at that point (and was bigger than Krakow, I believe) and that is essentially where the positions from Krakow were moved to. In this context, the news is an actually a continuation — more investment in Warsaw.
- soared 5y agoI work for a large tech company based in Warsaw and they’ve found it incredibly difficult to hire as they scale up. The talent pool for niche industries is quite small, so once you’ve hired a decent sized core group there are not a ton of good candidates left. But to be fair, they are also really struggling to hire in the US. So perhaps it’s not a Warsaw problem after all.
- durnygbur 5y agoSorry but I interview regularly for positions based in Warsaw. First Codility/Hackerrank filtering and/or take home assignment, then rounds of algorithm smartass questions alternatively about nuances from every generation of Angular framework. All these for a job with a total compensation of equivalent of max 60k USD but more likely 50-55k USD. I have no idea what they are doing but certainly they are not hiring. There will be no hiring happening there, or rather I'm your "not good enough" candidate. These cutthroat processes are for positions with total compensation well above 100k USD, your poor miserable zealots.
- adjkant 5y agoWhile Google may beat that salary, Google interviewing and hiring practices are infamous for being over the top filtering, choosing many false negatives rather than having false positives. I'm not sure I'd bank on Google hiring any quicker...
- soared 5y agoI agree with you entirely :) my company is in love with tests! To get a promotion I need to pass something like 8 tests that are brutally graded. My interviews for a non-developer but technical position required 2 tests and a ton of bs brain teasers. “How many gas stations are there in Poland?”
- TomSwirly 5y agoWhat a waste of money. Personally, I will never work in an office again. It's like they want to waste our time and the world's resources. The reason I left Google in the first place was the insistence on working from the office.
- blip54321 5y agoHow's Google pay for Americans working abroad? If you're a US-based Googler going to an office like this one, does your salary fall to 1/3?