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This is inaccurate information, Russia fought both wars in Georgia, currently Abkhazians and Ossetians are Russian citizens (they grabbed Russian passports as s

by Giorgi 5y ago

This is inaccurate information, Russia fought both wars in Georgia, currently Abkhazians and Ossetians are Russian citizens (they grabbed Russian passports as soon as they become available) so they will go back to their motherland Russia, Georgia will re-absorb it's own historical territory. Looks like you are spreading Russian propaganda in bad faith.

mytailorisrich 5y ago
Oh so you're saying that Georgia wants to forcibly take those territories and go full ethnic cleansing (That's how I read what you wrote, I'm not trying it on)? If so, they might indeed prefer to have the Russian army around...
- Giorgi 5y ago
  Again, you are spreading Russian propaganda, Hacker News is not a place for Russian shills.
- orwin 5y ago
  I've hosted Ossetians (well, my mother did) back in the days. There is actually a huge diaspora in France, and even when they are deeply religious, they do hate Russia with a passion I've never felt with anyone else. So I'm quite disbelieving this kind of statements, maybe my vision is skewed by my experience.
jhbadger 5y ago
Abkhazians and Ossetians aren't "Russians" ethnically, culturally, or linguistically though. Why would they want to go "back" to Russia (not their homeland)? The whole point of their struggle is ultimately to get their own countries just as other ethnic groups have. They merely accepted Russian aid and citizenship as a way to get out of Georgian rule. Which of course may ultimately be going from the frying pan into the fire.
- Giorgi 5y ago
  They rushed to took Russian passports thus they are Russian citizens and can go back to their homeland Russia. The whole point of their struggle was Russian invasion so Russians could build military bases there (which they eventually did)
  - jhbadger 5y ago
    You are confusing the motivation of Russia (which was indeed to build military bases) with that of the oppressed minorities. Again, these people are not "Russians". They are traditionally Muslim peoples who speak languages completely unrelated to Russian.
    - Giorgi 5y ago
      There are gazillion of people in Russian federation who are not "Russians" culturally, Abkhazians speak Russian and South Ossetians are invaders into Georgia from North Ossetia which is... Part of Russia. Also, there are no "oppressed minorities" in Georgia, never was. That would be part of Russian propaganda.
      - jhbadger 5y ago
        Abkhazians speak Abkhazian (a Circassic language) and Ossetians speak Ossetian (related to Farsi). Sure, many of them may speak Russian too. But so do Georgians. All these areas were part of the Soviet Union which imposed Russian as the standard language. But people still kept their native languages. The point is that these people want to live where they do, speaking their own languages -- they have no desire to go "back" to Russia, but on the other hand they have no desire to be assimilated into Georgian culture either. Why is this so hard to understand?
        Giorgi 5y ago
        They speak both, but Abkhazian and Ossetian is dying language, they are Russian citizens and speak Russian first. Georgian language on other hand is the most widely-spoken of the Kartvelian languages and serves as the literary language or lingua franca for speakers of related language. Before Soviet Union, it was Georgian territory for thousands of years, South Ossetia - is Russian name, in fact it is named Samachablo, Ossetians migrated there from North Ossetia en masse during Soviet Union times and re-named area to South Ossetia to give it impression as if two Ossetia's where same area. The point incorrect, Chechens do not desire to go back to Russia and fought war over it, but they lost because Russians committed their genocide. You can not simply settle somewhere and then want to break-away, Why is this so hard to understand?

by Giorgi 5y ago

mytailorisrich 5y ago

Oh so you're saying that Georgia wants to forcibly take those territories and go full ethnic cleansing (That's how I read what you wrote, I'm not trying it on)? If so, they might indeed prefer to have the Russian army around...

Giorgi 5y ago
Again, you are spreading Russian propaganda, Hacker News is not a place for Russian shills.
orwin 5y ago
I've hosted Ossetians (well, my mother did) back in the days. There is actually a huge diaspora in France, and even when they are deeply religious, they do hate Russia with a passion I've never felt with anyone else. So I'm quite disbelieving this kind of statements, maybe my vision is skewed by my experience.

jhbadger 5y ago

Abkhazians and Ossetians aren't "Russians" ethnically, culturally, or linguistically though. Why would they want to go "back" to Russia (not their homeland)? The whole point of their struggle is ultimately to get their own countries just as other ethnic groups have. They merely accepted Russian aid and citizenship as a way to get out of Georgian rule. Which of course may ultimately be going from the frying pan into the fire.

Giorgi 5y ago
They rushed to took Russian passports thus they are Russian citizens and can go back to their homeland Russia. The whole point of their struggle was Russian invasion so Russians could build military bases there (which they eventually did)
- jhbadger 5y ago
  You are confusing the motivation of Russia (which was indeed to build military bases) with that of the oppressed minorities. Again, these people are not "Russians". They are traditionally Muslim peoples who speak languages completely unrelated to Russian.
  - Giorgi 5y ago
    There are gazillion of people in Russian federation who are not "Russians" culturally, Abkhazians speak Russian and South Ossetians are invaders into Georgia from North Ossetia which is... Part of Russia. Also, there are no "oppressed minorities" in Georgia, never was. That would be part of Russian propaganda.
    - jhbadger 5y ago
      Abkhazians speak Abkhazian (a Circassic language) and Ossetians speak Ossetian (related to Farsi). Sure, many of them may speak Russian too. But so do Georgians. All these areas were part of the Soviet Union which imposed Russian as the standard language. But people still kept their native languages. The point is that these people want to live where they do, speaking their own languages -- they have no desire to go "back" to Russia, but on the other hand they have no desire to be assimilated into Georgian culture either. Why is this so hard to understand?
      - Giorgi 5y ago
        They speak both, but Abkhazian and Ossetian is dying language, they are Russian citizens and speak Russian first. Georgian language on other hand is the most widely-spoken of the Kartvelian languages and serves as the literary language or lingua franca for speakers of related language. Before Soviet Union, it was Georgian territory for thousands of years, South Ossetia - is Russian name, in fact it is named Samachablo, Ossetians migrated there from North Ossetia en masse during Soviet Union times and re-named area to South Ossetia to give it impression as if two Ossetia's where same area. The point incorrect, Chechens do not desire to go back to Russia and fought war over it, but they lost because Russians committed their genocide. You can not simply settle somewhere and then want to break-away, Why is this so hard to understand?