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This isn't anything new. That's always been Japan's position on the "Northern Territories" as it's commonly called here. From the Ministry of Foreign Affairs o

This isn't anything new. That's always been Japan's position on the "Northern Territories" as it's commonly called here. From the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Japan: https://www.mofa.go.jp/region/europe/russia/territory/overview.html https://www.mofa.go.jp/region/europe/russia/territory/overvi...

EGreg 5y ago
China and Taiwan would be a lot more interesting Out of the three major nuclear powers, I’d say only Russia would ever get sanctions for invading and occupying land. When was the last time US got sanctions?
- mrunkel 5y ago
  When was the last time the US invaded and occupied land on its own?
  - Fiahil 5y ago
    2003, if I recall correctly ?
    - q1w2 5y ago
      Nope: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_invasion_of_Iraq#Coalition_and_Allied_contingent_involvement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_invasion_of_Iraq#Coalitio...
      - lumost 5y ago
        The same claim could be made of Russia/Belarus or the Warsaw Pact invasions. Ultimately the US contributed well over 90% of the combat force in 2003.
  - fsflover 5y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Invasions_by_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Invasions_by_the_Unit...
  - EGreg 5y ago
    Iraq had a “coalition of the willing” but that was mostly a joke. One million excess deaths in Iraq as a result. We removed the Baathists and put Shiites in charge instead. Baathists joined up with ISIS and gave them American tanks and humvees, which then spilled violence over into Syria, and other regions. Invading and occupying was actually better than invading and leaving a failed state like Libya. There, ISIS and Boko Haram were able to establish strongholds and millions still live under violent gangs. At least we stabilized Iraq somewhat — until we also left abruptly. The last time we occupied land with our army was 2 months ago, when we withdrew from Afghanistan (also extremely abruptly).
- HWR_14 5y ago
  When is the last time the US annexed land or tried to?
  - thehappypm 5y ago
    Before WWII, I reckon. The USA actually went on a colony-freeing spree after WWII, most notably in granting the Philippines independence.
  - EGreg 5y ago
    Hawaii? Philippines / Guam / etc? Guantanamo? Panama canal? But I see Russia invading and occupying, not annexing (unless you mean stationing troops in the “independent” regions). They specifically disavow annexing unless the government refuses to negotiate and sign a peace agreement. They already did this exact playbook in the Russo-Georgian war, down to defending the two breakaway republics, the provocations, the “peacekeeping mission”, the invasion, and demilitarization (through defeating their army). And that war was also immediately after a NATO related escalation. Spot the difference https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Georgian_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Georgian_War The differences were: 1) NATO countries didn’t send endless amounts of fighter jets and drones to Georgia 2) France helped broker a peace agreement A few months later, Russia’s troops withdrew and Georgia is an independent country. On the other hand, a lot of lessons were learned by USSR in Afghanistan — a quagmire for 10 years where USA trained Mujahideen against the Soviets. Russia+China+Pakistan returned the favor in Afghanistan with arming the Taliban when USA occupied it for 20 years and spent trillions. Afghanistan has never been defeated, but has become a war-ravaged country with a shitty economy. As Ukrainians say: the West is ready to fight Russia to the last Ukrainian!
    - JumpCrisscross 5y ago
      > I see Russia invading and occupying, not annexing Crimea was unambiguously annexed in 2014 [1]. The U.S. hasn’t annexed territory since WWII (the Marshall Islands) or WWI (the Virgin Islands and Kingman Reef). [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Crimea_by_the_Russian_Federation https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Crimea_by_the_...
- pjc50 5y ago
  > When was the last time US got sanctions? A more relevant question would be "from whom?" You can't sanction someone much, much larger than yourself.
  - rurban 5y ago
    by everyone else. if the US would be politically isolated, they might think over their preferred political form of fascism. or they would just start bombing everyone.

EGreg 5y ago

China and Taiwan would be a lot more interesting Out of the three major nuclear powers, I’d say only Russia would ever get sanctions for invading and occupying land. When was the last time US got sanctions?

mrunkel 5y ago
When was the last time the US invaded and occupied land on its own?
- Fiahil 5y ago
  2003, if I recall correctly ?
  - q1w2 5y ago
    Nope: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_invasion_of_Iraq#Coalition_and_Allied_contingent_involvement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_invasion_of_Iraq#Coalitio...
    - lumost 5y ago
      The same claim could be made of Russia/Belarus or the Warsaw Pact invasions. Ultimately the US contributed well over 90% of the combat force in 2003.
- fsflover 5y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Invasions_by_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Invasions_by_the_Unit...
- EGreg 5y ago
  Iraq had a “coalition of the willing” but that was mostly a joke. One million excess deaths in Iraq as a result. We removed the Baathists and put Shiites in charge instead. Baathists joined up with ISIS and gave them American tanks and humvees, which then spilled violence over into Syria, and other regions. Invading and occupying was actually better than invading and leaving a failed state like Libya. There, ISIS and Boko Haram were able to establish strongholds and millions still live under violent gangs. At least we stabilized Iraq somewhat — until we also left abruptly. The last time we occupied land with our army was 2 months ago, when we withdrew from Afghanistan (also extremely abruptly).
HWR_14 5y ago
When is the last time the US annexed land or tried to?
- thehappypm 5y ago
  Before WWII, I reckon. The USA actually went on a colony-freeing spree after WWII, most notably in granting the Philippines independence.
- EGreg 5y ago
  Hawaii? Philippines / Guam / etc? Guantanamo? Panama canal? But I see Russia invading and occupying, not annexing (unless you mean stationing troops in the “independent” regions). They specifically disavow annexing unless the government refuses to negotiate and sign a peace agreement. They already did this exact playbook in the Russo-Georgian war, down to defending the two breakaway republics, the provocations, the “peacekeeping mission”, the invasion, and demilitarization (through defeating their army). And that war was also immediately after a NATO related escalation. Spot the difference https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Georgian_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Georgian_War The differences were: 1) NATO countries didn’t send endless amounts of fighter jets and drones to Georgia 2) France helped broker a peace agreement A few months later, Russia’s troops withdrew and Georgia is an independent country. On the other hand, a lot of lessons were learned by USSR in Afghanistan — a quagmire for 10 years where USA trained Mujahideen against the Soviets. Russia+China+Pakistan returned the favor in Afghanistan with arming the Taliban when USA occupied it for 20 years and spent trillions. Afghanistan has never been defeated, but has become a war-ravaged country with a shitty economy. As Ukrainians say: the West is ready to fight Russia to the last Ukrainian!
  - JumpCrisscross 5y ago
    > I see Russia invading and occupying, not annexing Crimea was unambiguously annexed in 2014 [1]. The U.S. hasn’t annexed territory since WWII (the Marshall Islands) or WWI (the Virgin Islands and Kingman Reef). [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Crimea_by_the_Russian_Federation https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Crimea_by_the_...
pjc50 5y ago
> When was the last time US got sanctions? A more relevant question would be "from whom?" You can't sanction someone much, much larger than yourself.
- rurban 5y ago
  by everyone else. if the US would be politically isolated, they might think over their preferred political form of fascism. or they would just start bombing everyone.