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> outlaw Nazi symbolic doing humanity a favor I just wonder how EU citizens(Germans especially) would react when Azov Batallion becomes the part of EU military

by vogre 5y ago

> outlaw Nazi symbolic doing humanity a favor I just wonder how EU citizens(Germans especially) would react when Azov Batallion becomes the part of EU military force. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion

nicoburns 5y ago
Disbanding this battalion sounds like the sort of thing that might be a condition of joining the EU.
- vogre 5y ago
  Ironically, that's the one of the Putin's terms to end the war. It's called 'denazification'.
- vogre 5y ago
  Even more ironically, Germany is suppliing these guys with weapons, so Russians are fighting not just Nazi, but Nazi with Panzerfausts https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a39281936/weapons-europe-is-sending-to-ukraine/ https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a39281936/...
  - modo_mario 5y ago
    And some of those Russians are Russian National Unity. One of em was governor of breakaway Donbas too after leading it's militia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_National_Unity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_National_Unity Then there's Kadrykov who with his calling for the killing of jews doesn't march far from that line of thinking. And Putin who funded a myriad of far-right and neo nazi groups across europe for the past 2 decades.
    - vogre 5y ago
      RNE is actually banned in Russia. You can go to jail for having their symbolics. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_Sector https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_Sector is not banned and actually is taking part in Ukrainian politics and military.
    - iisaev 5y ago
      >Then there's Kadrykov who with his calling for the killing of jews doesn't march far from that line of thinking. Did you mean Kadyrov? Where did you find these statements?
drran 5y ago
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- vogre 5y ago
  Did you read the article? They are not nazi because they are Ukrainians. They are far-right ultras with real swastika tattoos and ideolody. And they are not only in that batallion, they are in Government, and the head of the Army. Moreover they are supported by US and is the most powerful fighting force in Ukraine. If you try to dismantle them, you'll die like Kireev https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/hero-ukraine-peace-negotiator-shot-26398152 https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/hero-ukraine-peace-... Some more quotes from the article "Reports published by the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR) have connected the Azov Battalion to war crimes such as mass looting, unlawful detention, and torture" "British political scientist Richard Sakwa writes that Azov's founding member Andryi Biletsky, leader of the neo-Nazi Social-National Assembly (SNA) made statements about a "historic mission" to lead the "white races of the world in a final crusade for their survival ... a crusade against the Semite-led Untermenschen", an ideology he traces to the National Integralism of 1920s and 1930s.[96] Political scientist Ivan Katchanovski has compared the group's ideology to that of Patriot of Ukraine, saying: "The SNA/PU [Patriot of Ukraine] advocates a neo-Nazi ideology along with ultranationalism and racism. The same applies to ... members of the Azov battalion and many football ultras and others who serve in this formation."[97] " While I think, that this invasion is a big tragical mistake, the political life of Ukraine is very very far of what we call "peaceful democratic country" [edit] - they are not in parliament since 2019
  - modo_mario 5y ago
    >they are in Government Unlike Pavel Gubarev, Kadrykov, Putin himself, etc ...they are not. Their closest political affiliate National Corps has 0 seats in parliament.
  - orwin 5y ago
    They completely lost the 2019 elections, elected a Jew who speak a better Russian than Ukrainian and passed laws to protect Russian in schools. Yeah, he did grew the army and made a big rotation in the Donbass with active military exercises 9n the frontline, but tbh the Russian aggression just validated him.

by vogre 5y ago

nicoburns 5y ago

Disbanding this battalion sounds like the sort of thing that might be a condition of joining the EU.

vogre 5y ago
Ironically, that's the one of the Putin's terms to end the war. It's called 'denazification'.
vogre 5y ago
Even more ironically, Germany is suppliing these guys with weapons, so Russians are fighting not just Nazi, but Nazi with Panzerfausts https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a39281936/weapons-europe-is-sending-to-ukraine/ https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a39281936/...
- modo_mario 5y ago
  And some of those Russians are Russian National Unity. One of em was governor of breakaway Donbas too after leading it's militia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_National_Unity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_National_Unity Then there's Kadrykov who with his calling for the killing of jews doesn't march far from that line of thinking. And Putin who funded a myriad of far-right and neo nazi groups across europe for the past 2 decades.
  - vogre 5y ago
    RNE is actually banned in Russia. You can go to jail for having their symbolics. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_Sector https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_Sector is not banned and actually is taking part in Ukrainian politics and military.
  - iisaev 5y ago
    >Then there's Kadrykov who with his calling for the killing of jews doesn't march far from that line of thinking. Did you mean Kadyrov? Where did you find these statements?

drran 5y ago

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vogre 5y ago
Did you read the article? They are not nazi because they are Ukrainians. They are far-right ultras with real swastika tattoos and ideolody. And they are not only in that batallion, they are in Government, and the head of the Army. Moreover they are supported by US and is the most powerful fighting force in Ukraine. If you try to dismantle them, you'll die like Kireev https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/hero-ukraine-peace-negotiator-shot-26398152 https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/hero-ukraine-peace-... Some more quotes from the article "Reports published by the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR) have connected the Azov Battalion to war crimes such as mass looting, unlawful detention, and torture" "British political scientist Richard Sakwa writes that Azov's founding member Andryi Biletsky, leader of the neo-Nazi Social-National Assembly (SNA) made statements about a "historic mission" to lead the "white races of the world in a final crusade for their survival ... a crusade against the Semite-led Untermenschen", an ideology he traces to the National Integralism of 1920s and 1930s.[96] Political scientist Ivan Katchanovski has compared the group's ideology to that of Patriot of Ukraine, saying: "The SNA/PU [Patriot of Ukraine] advocates a neo-Nazi ideology along with ultranationalism and racism. The same applies to ... members of the Azov battalion and many football ultras and others who serve in this formation."[97] " While I think, that this invasion is a big tragical mistake, the political life of Ukraine is very very far of what we call "peaceful democratic country" [edit] - they are not in parliament since 2019
- modo_mario 5y ago
  >they are in Government Unlike Pavel Gubarev, Kadrykov, Putin himself, etc ...they are not. Their closest political affiliate National Corps has 0 seats in parliament.
- orwin 5y ago
  They completely lost the 2019 elections, elected a Jew who speak a better Russian than Ukrainian and passed laws to protect Russian in schools. Yeah, he did grew the army and made a big rotation in the Donbass with active military exercises 9n the frontline, but tbh the Russian aggression just validated him.