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Finland like solution would have been the best option (demilitarization? have your army renamed self defense force! denazification? heck, outlaw Nazi symbolic d

Finland like solution would have been the best option (demilitarization? have your army renamed self defense force! denazification? heck, outlaw Nazi symbolic doing humanity a favor) I mean implementing the damn Minsk deal now seems like fantasy, but no sane person needs this hell to continue!

helloooooooo 5y ago
The Minsk agreements wholly benefit Russia. Why the hell would Ukraine accept those terms?
- bigodbiel 5y ago
  I agree, it was literally signed at gunpoint, and it always was political suicide for whomever signed it, but wouldn’t any agreement have been better than what’s happening?
- drran 5y ago
pc86 5y ago
How about allowing sovereign countries to remain democratic? How about opposing blatantly illegal, unprovoked military aggression against a sovereign country as forcefully as possible? Frankly, the people calling for Ukraine to just accept what's happening - those who aren't just Russian trolls anyway - are absolutely disgusting.
- logicchains 5y ago
  >How about allowing sovereign countries to remain democratic? Are you the aware that the west funded a revolution to overthrow Ukraine's democratically elected leader in 2014 and install a more west-friendly replacement?
  - myko 5y ago
    That is not what happened. Ukraine elected a leader (with the help of Paul Manafort, who Putin paid for his efforts) that lied about his intentions to join the EU. In fact when he was in power he did an about face on his stated goals and stopped the process of getting into the EU. When he was deposed he fled to Russia - the country that put him in power in the first place. Basically, Putin subverted Ukrainian democracy by helping to get a puppet elected. Ukrainians did not like that.
  - timeon 5y ago
    This is just what you have been told.
    - 331c8c71 5y ago
      Google nuland tapes https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957 There seems to be a continuous supply of people joining in to discuss this subject here on HN who haven't done any research whatsoever.
vogre 5y ago
> outlaw Nazi symbolic doing humanity a favor I just wonder how EU citizens(Germans especially) would react when Azov Batallion becomes the part of EU military force. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion
- nicoburns 5y ago
  Disbanding this battalion sounds like the sort of thing that might be a condition of joining the EU.
  - vogre 5y ago
    Ironically, that's the one of the Putin's terms to end the war. It's called 'denazification'.
  - vogre 5y ago
    Even more ironically, Germany is suppliing these guys with weapons, so Russians are fighting not just Nazi, but Nazi with Panzerfausts https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a39281936/weapons-europe-is-sending-to-ukraine/ https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a39281936/...
    - modo_mario 5y ago
      And some of those Russians are Russian National Unity. One of em was governor of breakaway Donbas too after leading it's militia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_National_Unity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_National_Unity Then there's Kadrykov who with his calling for the killing of jews doesn't march far from that line of thinking. And Putin who funded a myriad of far-right and neo nazi groups across europe for the past 2 decades.
      - vogre 5y ago
        RNE is actually banned in Russia. You can go to jail for having their symbolics. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_Sector https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_Sector is not banned and actually is taking part in Ukrainian politics and military.

helloooooooo 5y ago

The Minsk agreements wholly benefit Russia. Why the hell would Ukraine accept those terms?

bigodbiel 5y ago
I agree, it was literally signed at gunpoint, and it always was political suicide for whomever signed it, but wouldn’t any agreement have been better than what’s happening?
drran 5y ago

pc86 5y ago

How about allowing sovereign countries to remain democratic? How about opposing blatantly illegal, unprovoked military aggression against a sovereign country as forcefully as possible? Frankly, the people calling for Ukraine to just accept what's happening - those who aren't just Russian trolls anyway - are absolutely disgusting.

logicchains 5y ago
>How about allowing sovereign countries to remain democratic? Are you the aware that the west funded a revolution to overthrow Ukraine's democratically elected leader in 2014 and install a more west-friendly replacement?
- myko 5y ago
  That is not what happened. Ukraine elected a leader (with the help of Paul Manafort, who Putin paid for his efforts) that lied about his intentions to join the EU. In fact when he was in power he did an about face on his stated goals and stopped the process of getting into the EU. When he was deposed he fled to Russia - the country that put him in power in the first place. Basically, Putin subverted Ukrainian democracy by helping to get a puppet elected. Ukrainians did not like that.
- timeon 5y ago
  This is just what you have been told.
  - 331c8c71 5y ago
    Google nuland tapes https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957 There seems to be a continuous supply of people joining in to discuss this subject here on HN who haven't done any research whatsoever.

vogre 5y ago

> outlaw Nazi symbolic doing humanity a favor I just wonder how EU citizens(Germans especially) would react when Azov Batallion becomes the part of EU military force. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion

nicoburns 5y ago
Disbanding this battalion sounds like the sort of thing that might be a condition of joining the EU.
- vogre 5y ago
  Ironically, that's the one of the Putin's terms to end the war. It's called 'denazification'.
- vogre 5y ago
  Even more ironically, Germany is suppliing these guys with weapons, so Russians are fighting not just Nazi, but Nazi with Panzerfausts https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a39281936/weapons-europe-is-sending-to-ukraine/ https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a39281936/...
  - modo_mario 5y ago
    And some of those Russians are Russian National Unity. One of em was governor of breakaway Donbas too after leading it's militia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_National_Unity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_National_Unity Then there's Kadrykov who with his calling for the killing of jews doesn't march far from that line of thinking. And Putin who funded a myriad of far-right and neo nazi groups across europe for the past 2 decades.
    - vogre 5y ago
      RNE is actually banned in Russia. You can go to jail for having their symbolics. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_Sector https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_Sector is not banned and actually is taking part in Ukrainian politics and military.