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Evacuation route out of Mariupol was mined, Red Cross says

74 points by underscore_ku 5y ago

jka 5y ago
The live-news feeds on BBC News aren't as straightforward to link to and archive as they could be - this content also appears at: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-60635927?pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:db771701-6dc4-4ec6-80c5-bf4be97ab054&pinned_post_asset_id=6225c463980bea49f4b7b73c&pinned_post_type=share https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-60635927?pinned...
dukoid 5y ago
I wouldn't be surprised if Putin's troops undermine all routes to the west to have the refugees as human shields on their tank and supply routes to the east...
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ralfd 5y ago
Mined by whom? For once it makes sense that Ukraine is doing that, they mined beaches at Odessa, while an invasion force mining their area would be stupid.
- DoingIsLearning 5y ago
  > For once it makes sense that Ukraine is doing that Mines statiscally kill mostly civilians and mostly after a conflict is stopped. It actually makes zero sense for Ukraine to have done it. On the other hand mining routes towards ukrainan controlled areas and making a ceasefire deal where civilians are escorted into Russian territory and used as hostages does make a lot of sense.
neverminder 5y ago
Apparently Russians also "opened" routes leading to Russia and Belarus. I mean, what kind of retarded bullshit is that? It would be literally Ukraine willingly sending hostages to the enemy.
- dukoid 5y ago
  Moreover they are probably also Putin's tank and supply routes... So they would basically become human shields...
wiz21c 5y ago
FTA : "Illustrating his point, he said some ICRC staff had tried to get out of Mariupol along an agreed route on Sunday, but soon realised "the road indicated to them was actually mined"." So no, the road was not trapped, it was clearly indicated that it is mined. Moreover, as a deleted post noted, agreements "in principle" are not agreements. So if there's no crystal clear agreement, then no one moves (and puts the blame on negociating parties). I understand this may sound harsh, but sending people on a road which is not 100% safe is dangerous.
- slindsey 5y ago
  Just an English clarification. The wording "the road indicated to them was actually mined" would typically be interpreted as 'They were pointed to a road which happened to be mined'. The interpretation of "indicated" in this case is referring to the fact that someone "indicated" the road to them, not that the road somehow "indicated" it was mined (e.g. with signs). The sentence as worded _could_ be interpreted that way but that would not be the typical interpretation and was almost assuredly not the intention from the article.
  - wiz21c 5y ago
    ah yep, victim of my own "rosy" glasses :-)
    - aaron695 5y ago
      No, you were correct, stop being gaslit. Here is what Dominik Stillhart actually says, not the BBC lies - https://twitter.com/BBCr4today/status/1500779527777230852 https://twitter.com/BBCr4today/status/1500779527777230852 Of course the Russians didn't try and mine an escape route. It wasn't an implemented route and it was known to be mined. The English is confusing because the BBC is playing games. You got caught out in the 'word' games, but you were correct. Go google this further in the news, look how the media a propaganda machine, it'll wrap around to the BBC again eventually to even more of a lie. The media doesn't even need to lie for their propaganda here, Russia gives them heaps of material, but it's just so habitual for the media to lie.

74 points by underscore_ku 5y ago

jka 5y ago

The live-news feeds on BBC News aren't as straightforward to link to and archive as they could be - this content also appears at: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-60635927?pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:db771701-6dc4-4ec6-80c5-bf4be97ab054&pinned_post_asset_id=6225c463980bea49f4b7b73c&pinned_post_type=share https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-60635927?pinned...

dukoid 5y ago

I wouldn't be surprised if Putin's troops undermine all routes to the west to have the refugees as human shields on their tank and supply routes to the east...

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ralfd 5y ago

Mined by whom? For once it makes sense that Ukraine is doing that, they mined beaches at Odessa, while an invasion force mining their area would be stupid.

DoingIsLearning 5y ago
> For once it makes sense that Ukraine is doing that Mines statiscally kill mostly civilians and mostly after a conflict is stopped. It actually makes zero sense for Ukraine to have done it. On the other hand mining routes towards ukrainan controlled areas and making a ceasefire deal where civilians are escorted into Russian territory and used as hostages does make a lot of sense.

neverminder 5y ago

Apparently Russians also "opened" routes leading to Russia and Belarus. I mean, what kind of retarded bullshit is that? It would be literally Ukraine willingly sending hostages to the enemy.

dukoid 5y ago
Moreover they are probably also Putin's tank and supply routes... So they would basically become human shields...

wiz21c 5y ago

FTA : "Illustrating his point, he said some ICRC staff had tried to get out of Mariupol along an agreed route on Sunday, but soon realised "the road indicated to them was actually mined"." So no, the road was not trapped, it was clearly indicated that it is mined. Moreover, as a deleted post noted, agreements "in principle" are not agreements. So if there's no crystal clear agreement, then no one moves (and puts the blame on negociating parties). I understand this may sound harsh, but sending people on a road which is not 100% safe is dangerous.

slindsey 5y ago
Just an English clarification. The wording "the road indicated to them was actually mined" would typically be interpreted as 'They were pointed to a road which happened to be mined'. The interpretation of "indicated" in this case is referring to the fact that someone "indicated" the road to them, not that the road somehow "indicated" it was mined (e.g. with signs). The sentence as worded _could_ be interpreted that way but that would not be the typical interpretation and was almost assuredly not the intention from the article.
- wiz21c 5y ago
  ah yep, victim of my own "rosy" glasses :-)
  - aaron695 5y ago
    No, you were correct, stop being gaslit. Here is what Dominik Stillhart actually says, not the BBC lies - https://twitter.com/BBCr4today/status/1500779527777230852 https://twitter.com/BBCr4today/status/1500779527777230852 Of course the Russians didn't try and mine an escape route. It wasn't an implemented route and it was known to be mined. The English is confusing because the BBC is playing games. You got caught out in the 'word' games, but you were correct. Go google this further in the news, look how the media a propaganda machine, it'll wrap around to the BBC again eventually to even more of a lie. The media doesn't even need to lie for their propaganda here, Russia gives them heaps of material, but it's just so habitual for the media to lie.