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This bears some correction. As the article reports, the strain that caused infection was traced from Malawi/Pakistan, where there is still endemic polio because

This bears some correction. As the article reports, the strain that caused infection was traced from Malawi/Pakistan, where there is still endemic polio because of long-lasting vaccine hesitancy.

gregwebs 5y ago
The article doesn't say that this has been traced from anywhere. It just says the Malawi outbreak was traced from Pakistan.
somenameforme 5y ago
Some interesting history on Pakistan there that has do with unforeseen consequences and why the ends never really do justify the means. The CIA gained some intel that Bin Laden was residing in Pakistan, and in the precise vicinity, but they wanted to be certain. They way they did this was by recruiting a local doctor [1] and splashing around a ton of money to start a fake vaccine campaign. It's unclear if they bothered using real vaccines or not, but the entire point of the program was a CIA DNA collection program. The CIA was bulk harvesting Pakistani DNA and cross referencing it against DNA from Bin Laden's sister Once it was confirmed that Bin Laden had children in the area, the program was scrapped, we invaded, he was killed, and everybody was left out to to dry. The doctor was imprisoned, charged with treason, and has since been in solitary with claims of torture for going on a decade now [2]. Local aid workers (who had no idea what they were involved in) were hunted down and killed, some districts banned vaccination drives, and Pakistanis have been extremely critical of any sort of vaccination effort since. [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakil_Afridi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakil_Afridi [2] - https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/ten-years-what-became-cia%E2%80%99s-bin-laden-doctor-shakil-afridi-188452 https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/ten-years-what-became...
- jcadam 5y ago
  destroying trust has consequences.
- sitkack 5y ago
  I don't have the emotional resevoir to find the hard numbers, but it is estimated that hundreds of doctors and aid workers have been killed because of this specific CIA action. And it turns it, from the article below, it was to possibly confirm that the compound had Bin Laden, not to actually find him. https://slate.com/human-interest/2011/07/the-cia-s-fake-vaccination-program-in-pakistan-reveals-the-moral-bankruptcy-of-american-spooks.html https://slate.com/human-interest/2011/07/the-cia-s-fake-vacc...
- tyrfing 5y ago
  That was a terrible idea and certainly contributed, but there's more to it than that: https://firstdraftnews.org/long-form-article/first-draft-case-study-understanding-the-impact-of-polio-vaccine-disinformation-in-pakistan/ https://firstdraftnews.org/long-form-article/first-draft-cas... There's a rich history of anti-vaccine conspiracy theories worldwide: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6318131/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6318131/
  - smolder 5y ago
    Conspiracy theories, not conspiracies.
    - tyrfing 5y ago
      Thanks, miswrote that.
- godmode2019 5y ago
  Thank you very much for the information. I have a running troll with friends who are unvaccinated, it goes like this. """ The elites know the second coming of Jesus is near, the idea they had is to kill Jesus before he is born. Jesus can only be born from his last remaining bloodline, somewhere in the world are the last descendants of Jesus. They need to find his parents and serialise them. To do this they created a tracer virus that has no symptoms but is detectable to test bio security measures for when the real virus is released. When you get PCR tested they take two swabs, one for the bio security test and one to get your DNA to see if you have Jesus's blood flowing within you. If you have the holy blood it will render you sterile, your DNA is also tested so they can visit you and follow up on your family, those too young to get tested. Jesus will raise again at the start of WWIII they need to kill him before he is born. That is why the lipid nano particles concentrate in the ovaries, to sterilise Mary. They did the same with Bin Laden who has Muhammad bloods in him. """ I have been adding to the troll story overtime when new bits of information surface, they find it quite believable. I have also tried the inverse story, where its actually godly people trying to find the descendants of Jesus to save them from what's coming. So you need to take the vaccine to protect you from what's coming. But this inverse story doesn't work at all. Conformation bias is strong. If you want to use my troll story please quote me. It's original and took me awhile to come up with it.
  - not1ofU 5y ago
    If this is how you treat your friends, then you dont deserve to have any. If one of those people ends up killing themselves, then you should understand that you may have had a hand in that.
    - godmode2019 5y ago
      Why would someone who thinks they might have holy blood end their life. If anything my story gives them conviction, the only person who would be upset is a religious vaccinated person, better repent now dear reader.
      - not1ofU 5y ago

This bears some correction. As the article reports, the strain that caused infection was traced from Malawi/Pakistan, where there is still endemic polio because of long-lasting vaccine hesitancy.

gregwebs 5y ago

The article doesn't say that this has been traced from anywhere. It just says the Malawi outbreak was traced from Pakistan.

somenameforme 5y ago

Some interesting history on Pakistan there that has do with unforeseen consequences and why the ends never really do justify the means. The CIA gained some intel that Bin Laden was residing in Pakistan, and in the precise vicinity, but they wanted to be certain. They way they did this was by recruiting a local doctor [1] and splashing around a ton of money to start a fake vaccine campaign. It's unclear if they bothered using real vaccines or not, but the entire point of the program was a CIA DNA collection program. The CIA was bulk harvesting Pakistani DNA and cross referencing it against DNA from Bin Laden's sister Once it was confirmed that Bin Laden had children in the area, the program was scrapped, we invaded, he was killed, and everybody was left out to to dry. The doctor was imprisoned, charged with treason, and has since been in solitary with claims of torture for going on a decade now [2]. Local aid workers (who had no idea what they were involved in) were hunted down and killed, some districts banned vaccination drives, and Pakistanis have been extremely critical of any sort of vaccination effort since. [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakil_Afridi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakil_Afridi [2] - https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/ten-years-what-became-cia%E2%80%99s-bin-laden-doctor-shakil-afridi-188452 https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/ten-years-what-became...

jcadam 5y ago
destroying trust has consequences.
sitkack 5y ago
I don't have the emotional resevoir to find the hard numbers, but it is estimated that hundreds of doctors and aid workers have been killed because of this specific CIA action. And it turns it, from the article below, it was to possibly confirm that the compound had Bin Laden, not to actually find him. https://slate.com/human-interest/2011/07/the-cia-s-fake-vaccination-program-in-pakistan-reveals-the-moral-bankruptcy-of-american-spooks.html https://slate.com/human-interest/2011/07/the-cia-s-fake-vacc...
tyrfing 5y ago
That was a terrible idea and certainly contributed, but there's more to it than that: https://firstdraftnews.org/long-form-article/first-draft-case-study-understanding-the-impact-of-polio-vaccine-disinformation-in-pakistan/ https://firstdraftnews.org/long-form-article/first-draft-cas... There's a rich history of anti-vaccine conspiracy theories worldwide: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6318131/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6318131/
- smolder 5y ago
  Conspiracy theories, not conspiracies.
  - tyrfing 5y ago
    Thanks, miswrote that.
godmode2019 5y ago
Thank you very much for the information. I have a running troll with friends who are unvaccinated, it goes like this. """ The elites know the second coming of Jesus is near, the idea they had is to kill Jesus before he is born. Jesus can only be born from his last remaining bloodline, somewhere in the world are the last descendants of Jesus. They need to find his parents and serialise them. To do this they created a tracer virus that has no symptoms but is detectable to test bio security measures for when the real virus is released. When you get PCR tested they take two swabs, one for the bio security test and one to get your DNA to see if you have Jesus's blood flowing within you. If you have the holy blood it will render you sterile, your DNA is also tested so they can visit you and follow up on your family, those too young to get tested. Jesus will raise again at the start of WWIII they need to kill him before he is born. That is why the lipid nano particles concentrate in the ovaries, to sterilise Mary. They did the same with Bin Laden who has Muhammad bloods in him. """ I have been adding to the troll story overtime when new bits of information surface, they find it quite believable. I have also tried the inverse story, where its actually godly people trying to find the descendants of Jesus to save them from what's coming. So you need to take the vaccine to protect you from what's coming. But this inverse story doesn't work at all. Conformation bias is strong. If you want to use my troll story please quote me. It's original and took me awhile to come up with it.
- not1ofU 5y ago
  If this is how you treat your friends, then you dont deserve to have any. If one of those people ends up killing themselves, then you should understand that you may have had a hand in that.
  - godmode2019 5y ago
    Why would someone who thinks they might have holy blood end their life. If anything my story gives them conviction, the only person who would be upset is a religious vaccinated person, better repent now dear reader.
    - not1ofU 5y ago