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Russia forcing all businesses to relocate away from Internet in 5 days
- danboarder 5y agoDoes this mean people inside Russia can't access sites outside, or that outsiders can't access sites inside Russia? Or both?
- chockchocschoir 5y agoThe pipes are still there (meaning the actual physical cables) but sites are forced to use DNS servers and other infrastructure that is actually hosted in Russia, and supposedly they can control the response of the DNS servers better. So routing within Russia and to a select few on the outside can work, but it'll be harder to access the internet infrastructure from the outside. I've personally have been seeing Russian endpoints disappearing one and one and DNS records slowly disappearing too, from the outside while watching Russian infrastructure since day one of the invasion. Seems they are so overpowered by all the attacks happening on their infrastructure, that they opt for just shutting of most connections at this point. However, as long as you have a route into Russia (Tor with Russian exit node, VPN on dedicated server in Russia or "Acquired" residential/company computers) that you can use, this change won't do much to stop the attacks. Although it'll get rid of the constant ddos many beginner "hackers" are currently performing against them.
- Mo3 5y agoHey how come you try to associate network overload with the firewalling? Even though it’s obviously on Putins orders and confirmed so? Seems a little suspicious for a 2 day old account. Almost like… propaganda
- chockchocschoir 5y agoI'm trying to say that both things are happening, and that the firewalling is probably happening in order to prevent the DDOS that is being launched towards Russian IT infrastructure, together with trying to prevent the increased attacks. To put in another perspective, nothing in Russian IT infrastructure has to change in order to control who sees what on the "Russian" internet. So if it was all about "controlling people's mind", then this would be overkill. But if you're getting hit by constant attacks from outside the country, this move makes a lot of sense in order to stop the attack, although also overkill but if you're not very skilled, it would probably stop many attacks.
- filoleg 5y agoIs there anything that can be done now to ensure that the access remains after this block goes into the effect? Internet is my only way to contact my father living there, and today I was walking him through a VPN setup. But now that I’ve read these news, I am not even sure if this will help. The only reason i am asking here is because the time is ticking, and once the block goes into the effect, I wont even be able to relay to him any useful info on how to go around it. So is it pretty much either pre-emptively taking care of it or being stuck hoping that he will figure something out on his own?
- Mo3 5y agoI wouldn’t ask a Russian state actor that question
- filoleg 5y agoThanks for pointing it out. I am lowkey panicking about what to do next, and I feel like the next steps need to be taken asap. So in this brainfog, I didn't immediately notice the criticism of the parent comment. I really appreciate the call out.
- chockchocschoir 5y agoPlease ignore Mo3 who seems to think anyone who thinks differently then them is a "Russian state actor". I'm not and in fact I'm currently actively trying to get into Russian infrastructure from the outside, not the other way around. Tor will most likely continue to work, as long as there is a route to an entry node, your father would be able to navigate the web. However, they can try to stop Tor, and I'd advise you to read through the Troubleshooting steps from Tor preemptively: https://tb-manual.torproject.org/ https://tb-manual.torproject.org/ Also try to lookup ways to still use Tor even if the usage is blocked. There are a couple of ways that could help him in that situation. If you do end up losing contact with him (because of internet blockage), I can try to do my best to get you two in contact again, one way or another. My email is in my profile if you want to reach out.
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- jcadam 5y agoHuh, interesting. That’s one way to defend yourself when you’re losing an information war, I suppose.
- nikolay 5y ago
- chockchocschoir 5y agoWhile Mir and UnionPay was already popular-ish in Russia, I don't think "Visa & MasterCard cut off Russia" is true. They merely separated the networks so Visa cards from outside Russia won't work inside, and vice-versa. But I haven't physically verified this myself.
- def_true_false 5y ago
- nikolay 5y agoOn a side note, did you know that Telegram now blocks Russian content if you're in the States? > This channel can’t be displayed because it violated local laws.
- throwaway9204 5y ago[flagged]
- nikolay 5y agoRT News's channel: https://t.me/swentr https://t.me/swentr My point was that I didn't know Telegram had built-in censorship! That's scary!
- Mo3 5y agoThese are Russian propaganda/spy channels. Nice try. I can remember seeing three of them on a new list on Twitter earlier.. did you seriously just stage a conversation with yourself?
- joeman1000 5y agoCan confirm. Do not join these channels. Could the Russian COINTEL operator be any more obvious above?
- djbebs 5y agoIn Germany too
- foverzar 5y agoAFAIK you can disable content filtering in settings in web or desktop version, though I am not sure if it also lifts regional legal restrictions.
- nikolay 5y agoPavel Durov had a post on Telegram that he has some Ukrainian ties on his mother's side, he does not live in Russia anymore, does not employ any people in Russia, and cares now more than ever about privacy, yet, he blocked content, which means that Telegram is just another WhatsApp and Messenger. I'm not sure if he gets this - even Facebook did it better by only putting a big warning about the content, but not completely blocking it. Also, it would have been nice to cite the exact laws being violated, which, in this case, don't even exist! Taking sides on a platform, which only exists, because it claims to be neutral and censorship-free, is a recipe for disaster. I understand, he's probably trying not to get removed by the app stores.
- MathMonkeyMan 5y agoForgive me, but: > Age-restricted adult content. This content might not be appropriate for people under 18 years old. To view this media, you’ll need to log in to Twitter.
- shrimp_emoji 5y agoAh, yes, tracking analytics forced upon you under the guise of paternalist moralism.
- filoleg 5y agoReposting this at the top level of the thread, because when I asked previously deeper in the comments, I was told it was posted in reply to an account that a lot of people called out as a potential state actor spreading misleading information. And I genuinely need help with this, as this window of opportunity seems to be closing fast. Sidenote: i really appreciate people pointing out the potentially malicious account in the comments. With that in mind, below is the modified copy of my original comment. Is there anything that can be done now to ensure that the access remains after this block goes into the effect? Internet is my only way to contact my father living there, and today I was walking him through a VPN setup. But now that I’ve read these news, I am not even sure if this will help. The only reason i am asking here is because the time is ticking, and once the block goes into the effect, me and him will be completely cut off, with me having zero way to assist him or even make sure he is still alive. So it is pretty much either pre-emptively taking care of it or being stuck hoping that he will figure something out on his own. And I would rather leave as little as possible to a chance here, given what's at stake.
- joeman1000 5y agoHello. I’m worried about my mother-in-law in Chernihiv (if she survives this disgusting attack) for the same reasons. If Russians take the city, the same block will obstruct her too. I gave her our emails and telephone numbers. I assume she will be able to call someone who can email us. Otherwise she can make an international call to us. It is very scary. My wife almost has a breakdown unless she can check on her mum through the day. This blockade will ruin peoples lives.
- filoleg 5y agoI am very sorry to hear about your situation, it sounds significantly more stressful and awful than mine. I hope your family gets through this successfully. I cannot even imagine how to deal with having someone close to you being directly in the action zone there. My dad is in mainland Russia, but given recent laws that Russia passed in regards to "fake news" and protestors, we seriously were concerned about our calls being tapped. And not in a "oh man, that's not cool for someone to tap our communications", but more like "15 years of russian prison and/or much worse consequences feel a bit too close right now" type of way. > she can make an international call to us. One question about this, if you don't mind. What's the best way to do place international calls there in terms of convenience/cost/quality and just as an overall package? My mind jumped first to Google Voice, because that's something I've used with success before. But I don't have much of an idea about alternatives, so I wouldn't know if there was something much better suited for the purpose.
- justsomehnguy 5y agoI assume this is related to [0], but because for some reason Twitter age-restricted the tweets in the original submission I can't be sure. It is also discussed on HN in [1] where I provided some context. Also it should be noted what nexta_tv shouldn't had the problem understanding the second line in that document, where it is clearly stated to whom it is addressed (only government agencies). Considering the tone of their tweet it was a deliberate... twist of the message. [0] https://nitter.net/nexta_tv/status/1500553480548892679#m https://nitter.net/nexta_tv/status/1500553480548892679#m [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30582124 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30582124
- zelon88 5y agoOh no, you mean the thousands of daily phishing emails, blog spam, and failed login attempts from Russian IP space is finally going to stop? Oh the horror.