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The problem isn't seizing donations, it's freezing the entire bank accounts of people connected to donations.

Retric 5y ago
Providing material support can be a crime. It might not be obviously illegal, but those bank accounts are frozen because the owners of the bank accounts are being investigated just as if they had been sending money to Al-Qaeda. At least legally it all boils down to how the groups that received these donations are classified. Of course politically things are more complicated, but applying the same rules in different situations is why people where so concerned about this type of legislation in the first place.
- Dylan16807 5y ago
  > Providing material support can be a crime. Yes, and? That's not a reason to freeze the account.
  - DocTomoe 5y ago
    Of course that is reason to freeze the account, much like you would seize a gun from a gun owner who is suspected to have committed a crime with that gun.
    - Dylan16807 5y ago
      It's more like seizing every other gun they own too. But also the average person needs their guns to get groceries and pay the electric bill. And they need guns to get a lawyer...
      - Retric 5y ago
        We also throw people in jail before trial which can make it quite difficult to pay the electric bill.
        Dylan16807 5y ago
        Yes, multiple things are bad. We shouldn't do that for people that aren't much of a flight risk.
        Retric 5y ago
        As a matter of procedure, people are detained while determining if they are a flight risk. Many frozen accounts may similarly be unfrozen before trial, but determining if that’s reasonable takes time.
sangnoir 5y ago
The only time I've heard investigators seizing specific amounts is when the money is cash. To my knowledge, access to all bank accounts belonging to a suspect is frozen as a matter of routine: feds don't wire out the $92,464.27 suspected to be related to fraud and leave the suspect with the balance. To be clear, I'm not saying ots not a problem - it absolutely is[1]. However, it is not new. 1. It gives undue leverage for plea deals, and leaves suspect unable to pay for legal representation.

Providing material support can be a crime. It might not be obviously illegal, but those bank accounts are frozen because the owners of the bank accounts are being investigated just as if they had been sending money to Al-Qaeda. At least legally it all boils down to how the groups that received these donations are classified. Of course politically things are more complicated, but applying the same rules in different situations is why people where so concerned about this type of legislation in the first place.

Dylan16807 5y ago
> Providing material support can be a crime. Yes, and? That's not a reason to freeze the account.
- DocTomoe 5y ago
  Of course that is reason to freeze the account, much like you would seize a gun from a gun owner who is suspected to have committed a crime with that gun.
  - Dylan16807 5y ago
    It's more like seizing every other gun they own too. But also the average person needs their guns to get groceries and pay the electric bill. And they need guns to get a lawyer...
    - Retric 5y ago
      We also throw people in jail before trial which can make it quite difficult to pay the electric bill.
      - Dylan16807 5y ago
        Yes, multiple things are bad. We shouldn't do that for people that aren't much of a flight risk.
        Retric 5y ago
        As a matter of procedure, people are detained while determining if they are a flight risk. Many frozen accounts may similarly be unfrozen before trial, but determining if that’s reasonable takes time.

sangnoir 5y ago

The only time I've heard investigators seizing specific amounts is when the money is cash. To my knowledge, access to all bank accounts belonging to a suspect is frozen as a matter of routine: feds don't wire out the $92,464.27 suspected to be related to fraud and leave the suspect with the balance. To be clear, I'm not saying ots not a problem - it absolutely is[1]. However, it is not new. 1. It gives undue leverage for plea deals, and leaves suspect unable to pay for legal representation.