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They want to monitor everything. Smart electricity meters provide this functionality. Smart = spy. Eg, 'spy phones'.

by verisimi 5y ago

SpicyLemonZest 5y ago
But you skipped right past the main part of my question. Who are "they"? Do you have a particular person or group in mind who thinks smart ovens are good because it's important to spy on everyone's oven usage? I ask because I'm worried you've fallen into a common rhetorical trap, conflating everything you don't like into a singular conspiracy and presuming that there must be some group somewhere who's dedicated to promoting it.
- verisimi 5y ago
  You can read all about 'their' plans in many places. I would start at the WEF's web site. The only thing I would suggest, is that you consider that when they are talking about stakeholders etc, you need to realise that they are not talking about the people - they are talking from the perspective of companies. (You are the steak, they are the steakholders, lol.) The same companies that pay lobbyists to write legislation etc, for the governments that purport to serve the people. These companies are owned by someone - who they are, we can't know. Unfortunately for us, a lot of the ownership details are hidden by offshore tax-exempt vehicles, etc.
nicoburns 5y ago
Smart electricity meters seems very different to smart ovens. The state has a valid reason to be interested in your enter because they run the grid and need to manage load. They have no valid interest in what your running with that electricity.
- Mountain_Skies 5y ago
  Wasn't one of the first things they used this data for was to find people with grow-ops in their basements?
  - sobkas 5y ago
    > Wasn't one of the first things they used this data for was to find people with grow-ops in their basements? And in some cases instead of pot they found crypto mining rigs.

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They want to monitor everything. Smart electricity meters provide this functionality. Smart = spy. Eg, 'spy phones'.

by verisimi 5y ago

They want to monitor everything. Smart electricity meters provide this functionality. Smart = spy. Eg, 'spy phones'.

SpicyLemonZest 5y ago
But you skipped right past the main part of my question. Who are "they"? Do you have a particular person or group in mind who thinks smart ovens are good because it's important to spy on everyone's oven usage? I ask because I'm worried you've fallen into a common rhetorical trap, conflating everything you don't like into a singular conspiracy and presuming that there must be some group somewhere who's dedicated to promoting it.
- verisimi 5y ago
  You can read all about 'their' plans in many places. I would start at the WEF's web site. The only thing I would suggest, is that you consider that when they are talking about stakeholders etc, you need to realise that they are not talking about the people - they are talking from the perspective of companies. (You are the steak, they are the steakholders, lol.) The same companies that pay lobbyists to write legislation etc, for the governments that purport to serve the people. These companies are owned by someone - who they are, we can't know. Unfortunately for us, a lot of the ownership details are hidden by offshore tax-exempt vehicles, etc.
nicoburns 5y ago
Smart electricity meters seems very different to smart ovens. The state has a valid reason to be interested in your enter because they run the grid and need to manage load. They have no valid interest in what your running with that electricity.
- Mountain_Skies 5y ago
  Wasn't one of the first things they used this data for was to find people with grow-ops in their basements?
  - sobkas 5y ago
    > Wasn't one of the first things they used this data for was to find people with grow-ops in their basements? And in some cases instead of pot they found crypto mining rigs.