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> NATO/the West is choosing to worsen the lives of 144 million Russian citizens due to the actions of ~several hundred people. That's the single biggest falseh

> NATO/the West is choosing to worsen the lives of 144 million Russian citizens due to the actions of ~several hundred people. That's the single biggest falsehood of this whole thing propaganda wise: that the Russian people aren't responsible for what's going on. The Russian people are responsbile for their culture, which keeps producing and promoting authoritarianism, decade after decade, generation after generation, century after century. Oh those poor Russian people, applauding Putin when times were good, cheering the increase in Russian might, cheering the annexation of Crimea, rah rah rah. Oh no, Putin has gone into Ukraine, who could have seen it coming!?! It's all bullshit, they cheered him on. Putin's popularity went way up with the annexation of Crimea, so he's doing it again on a greater level, he's repeating what worked last time with the Russian people - they love conquest and the return of glory for the Russian empire. These are important beliefs of the Russian culture and Putin is very aware of that. Putin fed them endless images of strength, all those ridiculous photos of him pretending to be strong doing a thing, it was all propaganda for his people (now ask yourself why it worked, why that propaganda; because Putin understands very well the Russian culture and what to feed it). They are responsible.

ugjka 5y ago
Would you say in the same vein that North Koreans are responsible for the dictatorship they are living in?
- optimalonpaper 5y ago
  To the same degree that russians are responsible for the political regime they live under -- it's the result of their inactivity and tolerance of the horrific things that are happening right now, no? Of course if you're in North Korea, it's much much harder (if possible at all) to do anything. But unless russians wake up soon, they're heading in the same direction as North Korea for sure. So they should act before they become North Korea, act whilst they can
tsol 5y ago
And western people are responsible for a culture that colonizes half the world. Why do you always escape punishment?
- dzikimarian 5y ago
  First of all - most of the countries recognized their mistakes and got rid of governments pushing for such things. Secondly - many ghosts of the past are still torment western countries (e.g. last year BLM protests), and in general they are at least recognized as a problem, by general population, not that stubbornly deflected and "whatabouted" as we can observe now in Russia. BTW I'm not westerner. I'm living far closer to the Russia, than I would prefer to - because honestly whole world moved ahead, and in general got better (admittedly very inconsistently), and Russia is well... Russia - same for as long as I know.
  - tsol 5y ago
    >First of all - most of the countries recognized their mistakes and got rid of governments pushing for such things. After benefiting from stealing their resources, eventually colonization ended in no small part due to huge amounts of resistance from the colonies(ex Ghandi). I don't think that's exactly deserving of a humanitarian prize. Not only are there are reparations for those who were used, there were even recent military incursions in the Middle East >Secondly - many ghosts of the past are still torment western countries (e.g. last year BLM protests), and in general they are at least recognized as a problem, by general population, not that stubbornly deflected and "whatabouted" as we can observe now in Russia. Cold comfort. That isn't fixing the problem that's just saying "yeah well we feel bad and have problems due to the abuse we inflicted on others". No surprise, but that doesn't help any of the populations that were set back and marginalized by colonization
    - dzikimarian 5y ago
      >After benefiting from stealing their resources I fail to see what point you're trying to make. You're saying, that in your opinion, other countries were more agressive in the past than Russia (which isn't true - I still see evidences on streets of my country), therefore Russia has unused quota of assholery, and should be allowed to murder Ukrainians whithout being criticized? > That isn't fixing the problem that's just saying "yeah well we feel bad and have problems due to the abuse we inflicted on others". Sadly in many cases yes, but also in many cases there were actual govermental or non-govermental help for regions violated in the past. This is not the case in Russia - Russia ended it's invasions only after being forced out and didn't ever even addmited, that it was doing something wrong. Quite the opposite - it tends to suggest it was doing something good like for e.g. in this case: https://twitter.com/radeksikorski/status/1480536745112444936 https://twitter.com/radeksikorski/status/1480536745112444936 - have you ever seen such comment from any British official regarding India?

ugjka 5y ago

Would you say in the same vein that North Koreans are responsible for the dictatorship they are living in?

optimalonpaper 5y ago
To the same degree that russians are responsible for the political regime they live under -- it's the result of their inactivity and tolerance of the horrific things that are happening right now, no? Of course if you're in North Korea, it's much much harder (if possible at all) to do anything. But unless russians wake up soon, they're heading in the same direction as North Korea for sure. So they should act before they become North Korea, act whilst they can

tsol 5y ago

And western people are responsible for a culture that colonizes half the world. Why do you always escape punishment?

dzikimarian 5y ago
First of all - most of the countries recognized their mistakes and got rid of governments pushing for such things. Secondly - many ghosts of the past are still torment western countries (e.g. last year BLM protests), and in general they are at least recognized as a problem, by general population, not that stubbornly deflected and "whatabouted" as we can observe now in Russia. BTW I'm not westerner. I'm living far closer to the Russia, than I would prefer to - because honestly whole world moved ahead, and in general got better (admittedly very inconsistently), and Russia is well... Russia - same for as long as I know.
- tsol 5y ago
  >First of all - most of the countries recognized their mistakes and got rid of governments pushing for such things. After benefiting from stealing their resources, eventually colonization ended in no small part due to huge amounts of resistance from the colonies(ex Ghandi). I don't think that's exactly deserving of a humanitarian prize. Not only are there are reparations for those who were used, there were even recent military incursions in the Middle East >Secondly - many ghosts of the past are still torment western countries (e.g. last year BLM protests), and in general they are at least recognized as a problem, by general population, not that stubbornly deflected and "whatabouted" as we can observe now in Russia. Cold comfort. That isn't fixing the problem that's just saying "yeah well we feel bad and have problems due to the abuse we inflicted on others". No surprise, but that doesn't help any of the populations that were set back and marginalized by colonization
  - dzikimarian 5y ago
    >After benefiting from stealing their resources I fail to see what point you're trying to make. You're saying, that in your opinion, other countries were more agressive in the past than Russia (which isn't true - I still see evidences on streets of my country), therefore Russia has unused quota of assholery, and should be allowed to murder Ukrainians whithout being criticized? > That isn't fixing the problem that's just saying "yeah well we feel bad and have problems due to the abuse we inflicted on others". Sadly in many cases yes, but also in many cases there were actual govermental or non-govermental help for regions violated in the past. This is not the case in Russia - Russia ended it's invasions only after being forced out and didn't ever even addmited, that it was doing something wrong. Quite the opposite - it tends to suggest it was doing something good like for e.g. in this case: https://twitter.com/radeksikorski/status/1480536745112444936 https://twitter.com/radeksikorski/status/1480536745112444936 - have you ever seen such comment from any British official regarding India?