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That guarantees WW3, no one is stupid enough to do that. What happens when some Russian aircraft breachs the no-fly zone? Blow them out of the sky with an F35?

That guarantees WW3, no one is stupid enough to do that. What happens when some Russian aircraft breachs the no-fly zone? Blow them out of the sky with an F35? No thanks.

RealityVoid 5y ago
While I think it is dangerous to close the air space, I doubt WW3 is guaranteed. Russia would probably back down at some point, since they are in a much much weaker spot than they would like.
- skilled 5y ago
  I don't know much about politics or care even, but I did always assume that Russia has the capability to wipe out Ukraine if it wanted to? Maybe someone who is educated in this can give me a clear answer. (I don't mean nuclear wipeout, I mean in general based on army strength and weaponry.)
  - RealityVoid 5y ago
    That is what Russia thought as well. But they were surprised by stiff resistance. Even so, Russia still has a massive advantage and will eventually engulf Ukraine, at least that is the consensus among people much smarter than me. The resistance will be fierce and then they will probably get in insurgency mode, so that would be a sink of men and materiel with little to show for.
  - IshKebab 5y ago
    They still do. It's taking longer and being more difficult than they wanted or expected but it's still very unlikely that Ukraine will prevail in the short term. People on the internet are just getting waaaay ahead of themselves. It's been a week and they haven't conquered the whole country yet so they must be losing the war or something.
  - pelasaco 5y ago
    The question is how many civilians they are willing to kill, or in another words, how barbaric they are wiling to be. But don't fool yourself. Russia destroyed two major cities in the last 20 years. Grosny and Aleppo. Both, for no reason.
pelasaco 5y ago
That's because you are comfy in your couch when some km away from you people are being bombed.
- swarnie 5y ago
  Correct, i don't fancy the idea of being glassed by a madman. Funny how self preservation works isn't it?
  - pelasaco 5y ago
    cowardice, you mean? Yep, that's how it works. Europe show it since 2013 in the Ukraine.
    - swarnie 5y ago
      I assume you've joined the foreigner legion and are posting these dumb takes from the front lines yeah? Not wanting to die over someone else's war isn't cowardice, its sanity.
      - pelasaco 5y ago
        I don't have to join the legion there, but I will fight when it arrives in my country. Or do you think that you are safe in UK?
      - SyzygistSix 5y ago
        This isn't someone else's war. For anyone who wants a world where rule of law prevails, and trade and negotiation are used rather than the powerful just take what they want, this is their war as well, despite not being the ones under direct fire.
- kreeben 5y ago
  WW3 will be our civilization's last war. Advocating for it is advocating for the end of the world. This is the wrong strategy.
nickspicer1993 5y ago
I would do that. What's the alternative endgame? Ukraine is a country begging for help from the west and specifically a no-fly zone while Russia is shelling them not caring if it hits civilians. Surely at some point you need to stand up for what you believe in.
- pelasaco 5y ago
  Russia is the molester in the train. Europe are the people around holding their phones and live streaming it.
pelasaco 5y ago
To look away shouldn't be an option. Otherwise we should never blame the ordinary German people that looked away when the nazis (the real one), killed millions. "self-preservation", right?
CodeArtisan 5y ago
It doesn't guarantee WW3. Even shooting down a Russian aircraft would not (it happened in Syria[1]). Attacking Russia territory would start WW3 but Ukraine is not part of Russia. Not yet. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Russian_Sukhoi_Su-24_shootdown https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Russian_Sukhoi_Su-24_shoo...
- lamontcg 5y ago
  A no fly zone in Ukraine directly implies attacking and destroying SAMs in Russian territory in order to dominate the airspace over Ukraine.
- pelasaco 5y ago
  Turkey shot some years ago one down. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34912581 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34912581
pelasaco 5y ago
It happened already and we are still alive https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34912581 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34912581

That guarantees WW3, no one is stupid enough to do that. What happens when some Russian aircraft breachs the no-fly zone? Blow them out of the sky with an F35? No thanks.

RealityVoid 5y ago

While I think it is dangerous to close the air space, I doubt WW3 is guaranteed. Russia would probably back down at some point, since they are in a much much weaker spot than they would like.

skilled 5y ago
I don't know much about politics or care even, but I did always assume that Russia has the capability to wipe out Ukraine if it wanted to? Maybe someone who is educated in this can give me a clear answer. (I don't mean nuclear wipeout, I mean in general based on army strength and weaponry.)
- RealityVoid 5y ago
  That is what Russia thought as well. But they were surprised by stiff resistance. Even so, Russia still has a massive advantage and will eventually engulf Ukraine, at least that is the consensus among people much smarter than me. The resistance will be fierce and then they will probably get in insurgency mode, so that would be a sink of men and materiel with little to show for.
- IshKebab 5y ago
  They still do. It's taking longer and being more difficult than they wanted or expected but it's still very unlikely that Ukraine will prevail in the short term. People on the internet are just getting waaaay ahead of themselves. It's been a week and they haven't conquered the whole country yet so they must be losing the war or something.
- pelasaco 5y ago
  The question is how many civilians they are willing to kill, or in another words, how barbaric they are wiling to be. But don't fool yourself. Russia destroyed two major cities in the last 20 years. Grosny and Aleppo. Both, for no reason.

pelasaco 5y ago

That's because you are comfy in your couch when some km away from you people are being bombed.

swarnie 5y ago
Correct, i don't fancy the idea of being glassed by a madman. Funny how self preservation works isn't it?
- pelasaco 5y ago
  cowardice, you mean? Yep, that's how it works. Europe show it since 2013 in the Ukraine.
  - swarnie 5y ago
    I assume you've joined the foreigner legion and are posting these dumb takes from the front lines yeah? Not wanting to die over someone else's war isn't cowardice, its sanity.
    - pelasaco 5y ago
      I don't have to join the legion there, but I will fight when it arrives in my country. Or do you think that you are safe in UK?
    - SyzygistSix 5y ago
      This isn't someone else's war. For anyone who wants a world where rule of law prevails, and trade and negotiation are used rather than the powerful just take what they want, this is their war as well, despite not being the ones under direct fire.
kreeben 5y ago
WW3 will be our civilization's last war. Advocating for it is advocating for the end of the world. This is the wrong strategy.

nickspicer1993 5y ago

I would do that. What's the alternative endgame? Ukraine is a country begging for help from the west and specifically a no-fly zone while Russia is shelling them not caring if it hits civilians. Surely at some point you need to stand up for what you believe in.

pelasaco 5y ago
Russia is the molester in the train. Europe are the people around holding their phones and live streaming it.

pelasaco 5y ago

To look away shouldn't be an option. Otherwise we should never blame the ordinary German people that looked away when the nazis (the real one), killed millions. "self-preservation", right?

CodeArtisan 5y ago

It doesn't guarantee WW3. Even shooting down a Russian aircraft would not (it happened in Syria[1]). Attacking Russia territory would start WW3 but Ukraine is not part of Russia. Not yet. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Russian_Sukhoi_Su-24_shootdown https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Russian_Sukhoi_Su-24_shoo...

lamontcg 5y ago
A no fly zone in Ukraine directly implies attacking and destroying SAMs in Russian territory in order to dominate the airspace over Ukraine.
pelasaco 5y ago
Turkey shot some years ago one down. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34912581 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34912581

pelasaco 5y ago

It happened already and we are still alive https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34912581 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34912581