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I didn't know it was registered in the Netherlands. I use yandex when I don't want censored results - google when I want to know something like "location of X

I didn't know it was registered in the Netherlands. I use yandex when I don't want censored results - google when I want to know something like "location of X in videogame Y"

KarlKemp 5y ago
That’s funny. Google isn’t censored and Yandex is so heavily censored, their Java archives are named server.special-military-operation
- cocoafleck 5y ago
  Google also censors, however, they censor different topics. They mostly filter content related to piracy, suicide, and misinformation sources.
  - KarlKemp 5y ago
    Google, not being a government, may editorialize, using the same right you avail yourself of when you post your opinion, but not mine. Google cannot censor. By definition. Neither can Yandex. Both can be censored however, although only the latter is. The Russian government can & does censor, including, starting tomorrow, 15-year jail-sentences for „misleading statements“ about you-know-what.
    - CyanBird 5y ago
      Censor is censor: Please avoid editorializing the discussion
    - mquander 5y ago
      Google disagrees with you. It presents this definition of the verb "censor" in a one-box: https://www.google.com/search?q=censor%20definition https://www.google.com/search?q=censor%20definition > examine (a book, movie, etc.) officially and suppress unacceptable parts of it.
      - threeseed 5y ago
        Google disagrees with you. It presents this definition of the verb "officially" in a one-box: https://www.google.com/search?q=officially https://www.google.com/search?q=officially > with the authority of the government or other organization
        mquander 5y ago
        Wouldn't you say that Google is an organization, employing people with the authority to examine and suppress content?
    - ivan90210 5y ago
      I suppose you don't call removal of LGBTP+ elements from the media released in Russia/China/MENA "censorship" either, just private companies exercising their rights, right?
      - filoleg 5y ago
        > I suppose you don't call removal of LGBTP+ elements from the media released in Russia/China/MENA "censorship" either, just private companies exercising their rights, right? I would call it censorship. But in those examples you listed, I would attribute it to the government and not the company. Because by removing those elements, they are not "exercising their rights to do so", they are "complying with local laws and regulations by doing so". For a specific example: in Russia, "propaganda of homosexualty" (which includes something as trivial as explicitly acknowledging that one of the main characters is attracted to a person, or people in general, of the same sex) is against the law and is heavily punished. So in reality, those companies only have two options: sell their product with those elements removed for that specific market or become unable to legally sell their product in that market at all. Is it censorship? I would argue "yes", but I wouldn't say that the censorship is done by the company. If that action was required in order to be in compliance with local laws and regulations, I would call it for what it actually is - government censorship. After all, they are the ones making those laws and regulations that decide what is allowed and what needs to be removed.
    - _jal 5y ago
      Google can censor. Censorship is necessarily performed by an entity with the power to restrict information conveyance, but it is not necessary for them to be a government. It is true that it is impossible for Google to violate the 1st Amendment (unless they were nationalized first).
    - tomc1985 5y ago
      And how exactly is Google prohibited from censoring? By definition? They're a private company. They can do whatever they want within the limits of the law. And the law doesn't say anything about not publishing something. Which can be done for purposes of censorship.
      - Barrin92 5y ago
        >And how exactly is Google prohibited from censoring? By definition? They're not a publisher. You have zero ability to post anything to Google, so there is nobody to be censored. They're an aggregator, and any aggregator can display whatever information they want.
- Scoundreller 5y ago
  I’ve seen things on google sat maps blurred out, but in the clear on yandex.
  - kanbara 5y ago
    that's because different countries have rules about what things can be shown with commercial satellite imagery. Canada for example has a way longer list than the USA does if that surprises you (potentially to avoid foreign conflict) which includes the max resolution and sale of imagery of taiwan, spratly islands, conflict zones in the middle east and more. does yandex show you putin's mansion?
    - kipchak 5y ago
      It looks like it does on Yandex maps if I have the right location. There's even a photo of the (apparent) pole dancing room. https://tinyurl.com/ttxvuvu4 https://tinyurl.com/ttxvuvu4
      - Scoundreller 5y ago
        No need to use URL shorteners here, just let the scripts cut the display down to something user friendly: But I've cut a lot of the tracking crap out for you: https://yandex.com/maps/org/rezidentsiya_na_myse_idokopas/8451100367/?l=sat&ll=38.205432%2C44.418798&mode=search&sll=38.205432%2C44.418798&sspn=0.004259%2C0.004610&text=Residence%20at%20Cape%20Idokopas&z=18 https://yandex.com/maps/org/rezidentsiya_na_myse_idokopas/84...
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- foolfoolz 5y ago
  this isn’t black and white google is censored and yandex isn’t. they both censor in different ways. try the same searches on both you will see different results. i use yandex for some searches they are better at
  - kipchak 5y ago
    It reminds me of a firewall joke, you use an American firewall to protect against the Russian backdoors, then a Russian firewall to protect against the American backdoors, and so on.
paxys 5y ago
> I use yandex when I don't want censored results I assume you don't know there's a war in Ukraine happening right now then. Just take a look at the front page of https://yandex.com/news https://yandex.com/news. It's like a different reality.
- ipaddr 5y ago
  Yandex for things censored in the west. Google for things censored in Russia.
  - ildon 5y ago
    > Google for things censored in Russia. Calling censorship take downs due to copyright infringement and alikes seems like a stretch. There's a difference between things taken down due to the political agenda of the government (Russia), and things taken down because they violate someone else's rights (West).
    - ipaddr 5y ago
      8kin or whatever the name of the successor to 8chan became wouldn't show up in google when it was available. Who's right's were violated? Political agenda's censor both.

I didn't know it was registered in the Netherlands. I use yandex when I don't want censored results - google when I want to know something like "location of X in videogame Y"

KarlKemp 5y ago

That’s funny. Google isn’t censored and Yandex is so heavily censored, their Java archives are named server.special-military-operation

cocoafleck 5y ago
Google also censors, however, they censor different topics. They mostly filter content related to piracy, suicide, and misinformation sources.
- KarlKemp 5y ago
  Google, not being a government, may editorialize, using the same right you avail yourself of when you post your opinion, but not mine. Google cannot censor. By definition. Neither can Yandex. Both can be censored however, although only the latter is. The Russian government can & does censor, including, starting tomorrow, 15-year jail-sentences for „misleading statements“ about you-know-what.
  - CyanBird 5y ago
    Censor is censor: Please avoid editorializing the discussion
  - mquander 5y ago
    Google disagrees with you. It presents this definition of the verb "censor" in a one-box: https://www.google.com/search?q=censor%20definition https://www.google.com/search?q=censor%20definition > examine (a book, movie, etc.) officially and suppress unacceptable parts of it.
    - threeseed 5y ago
      Google disagrees with you. It presents this definition of the verb "officially" in a one-box: https://www.google.com/search?q=officially https://www.google.com/search?q=officially > with the authority of the government or other organization
      - mquander 5y ago
        Wouldn't you say that Google is an organization, employing people with the authority to examine and suppress content?
  - ivan90210 5y ago
    I suppose you don't call removal of LGBTP+ elements from the media released in Russia/China/MENA "censorship" either, just private companies exercising their rights, right?
    - filoleg 5y ago
      > I suppose you don't call removal of LGBTP+ elements from the media released in Russia/China/MENA "censorship" either, just private companies exercising their rights, right? I would call it censorship. But in those examples you listed, I would attribute it to the government and not the company. Because by removing those elements, they are not "exercising their rights to do so", they are "complying with local laws and regulations by doing so". For a specific example: in Russia, "propaganda of homosexualty" (which includes something as trivial as explicitly acknowledging that one of the main characters is attracted to a person, or people in general, of the same sex) is against the law and is heavily punished. So in reality, those companies only have two options: sell their product with those elements removed for that specific market or become unable to legally sell their product in that market at all. Is it censorship? I would argue "yes", but I wouldn't say that the censorship is done by the company. If that action was required in order to be in compliance with local laws and regulations, I would call it for what it actually is - government censorship. After all, they are the ones making those laws and regulations that decide what is allowed and what needs to be removed.
  - _jal 5y ago
    Google can censor. Censorship is necessarily performed by an entity with the power to restrict information conveyance, but it is not necessary for them to be a government. It is true that it is impossible for Google to violate the 1st Amendment (unless they were nationalized first).
  - tomc1985 5y ago
    And how exactly is Google prohibited from censoring? By definition? They're a private company. They can do whatever they want within the limits of the law. And the law doesn't say anything about not publishing something. Which can be done for purposes of censorship.
    - Barrin92 5y ago
      >And how exactly is Google prohibited from censoring? By definition? They're not a publisher. You have zero ability to post anything to Google, so there is nobody to be censored. They're an aggregator, and any aggregator can display whatever information they want.
Scoundreller 5y ago
I’ve seen things on google sat maps blurred out, but in the clear on yandex.
- kanbara 5y ago
  that's because different countries have rules about what things can be shown with commercial satellite imagery. Canada for example has a way longer list than the USA does if that surprises you (potentially to avoid foreign conflict) which includes the max resolution and sale of imagery of taiwan, spratly islands, conflict zones in the middle east and more. does yandex show you putin's mansion?
  - kipchak 5y ago
    It looks like it does on Yandex maps if I have the right location. There's even a photo of the (apparent) pole dancing room. https://tinyurl.com/ttxvuvu4 https://tinyurl.com/ttxvuvu4
    - Scoundreller 5y ago
      No need to use URL shorteners here, just let the scripts cut the display down to something user friendly: But I've cut a lot of the tracking crap out for you: https://yandex.com/maps/org/rezidentsiya_na_myse_idokopas/8451100367/?l=sat&ll=38.205432%2C44.418798&mode=search&sll=38.205432%2C44.418798&sspn=0.004259%2C0.004610&text=Residence%20at%20Cape%20Idokopas&z=18 https://yandex.com/maps/org/rezidentsiya_na_myse_idokopas/84...
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foolfoolz 5y ago
this isn’t black and white google is censored and yandex isn’t. they both censor in different ways. try the same searches on both you will see different results. i use yandex for some searches they are better at
- kipchak 5y ago
  It reminds me of a firewall joke, you use an American firewall to protect against the Russian backdoors, then a Russian firewall to protect against the American backdoors, and so on.

paxys 5y ago

> I use yandex when I don't want censored results I assume you don't know there's a war in Ukraine happening right now then. Just take a look at the front page of https://yandex.com/news https://yandex.com/news. It's like a different reality.

ipaddr 5y ago
Yandex for things censored in the west. Google for things censored in Russia.
- ildon 5y ago
  > Google for things censored in Russia. Calling censorship take downs due to copyright infringement and alikes seems like a stretch. There's a difference between things taken down due to the political agenda of the government (Russia), and things taken down because they violate someone else's rights (West).
  - ipaddr 5y ago
    8kin or whatever the name of the successor to 8chan became wouldn't show up in google when it was available. Who's right's were violated? Political agenda's censor both.