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I'm not sure how true this article is, hopefully some others in Africa can speak to their personal experiences. For me, when I lived in Kenya English was the l

by AdamN 5y ago

I'm not sure how true this article is, hopefully some others in Africa can speak to their personal experiences. For me, when I lived in Kenya English was the lingua franca for official/business activity. Some older professional Kenyans I knew learned Swahili only after learning English (and their mother language, Luo for instance). On the street, Swahili was standard. The Tanzanians I met however, considered Nairobi Swahili not even 'real' Swahili and more of a mish-mash for disparate speakers who might otherwise choose their mother tongue when possible. And then there's Sheng - a creole that is an even further evolution from Swahili and various other languages.

grecy 5y ago
I spent 3 years driving 54,000miles around the coastline through 35 countries. [1] In my experience, Swahili wasn't widely spoken, really only in a region of East Africa around Uganda/Kenya/Tanzania - which I also realized many foreigners come to think of as "Africa" because that's where they go on safari. It was great to drive from Tanzania into Burundi, or Ethiopia into Djibouti and not see a single foreigner for a month. Certainly French is the language of the West Coast and of many hundreds of millions of people. I'm guessing if it also had Nigeria's 200million it would be the dominant language on the continent. English, again, is common in the places tourists frequent, but otherwise not widespread outside the capital cities. The vast majority of people even in very, very remote mud hut communities spoke at least two languages. 3+ was very common. [1] https://youtube.com/c/theroadchoseme https://youtube.com/c/theroadchoseme
- adastra22 5y ago
  Holy cow that's awesome. Sorry I don't have anything constructive to add, just that I'll be watching your backlog of videologs. What an amazing trip!
  - grecy 5y ago
    Thanks! I knew it would be the biggest adventure of my life, and it was a thousand times more than I ever dreamed possible!
- joshz404 5y ago
  After learning kiswahili in Tanzania I went to Uganda for a vacation... At the bus terminal a bwana eventually pulled me aside and told me to quit speaking kiswahili there, because only the thieves spoke it there. I wasn't sure if I should be offended or humiliated. Anyway I went with english/spanish/swahili mixing after that cause brain. Either way skinny dipping in the blue nile was great.
dougk 5y ago
English and French are indeed lingua francas but depending on the country or even the city you're in, they can be used as equally as lingua franca with the dominant local language. People in Africa fluidly switch languages mid-conversation or even mid-sentence. In DRC for example, it's common to see a conversation in French and Swahili, or French and Lingala, or Lingala and Swahili. But most people will make an effort to stick to French when talking to a foreigner. I've also heard Kenyans say that Congolese people speak Swahili weird because they use French loanwords.

by AdamN 5y ago

grecy 5y ago

I spent 3 years driving 54,000miles around the coastline through 35 countries. [1] In my experience, Swahili wasn't widely spoken, really only in a region of East Africa around Uganda/Kenya/Tanzania - which I also realized many foreigners come to think of as "Africa" because that's where they go on safari. It was great to drive from Tanzania into Burundi, or Ethiopia into Djibouti and not see a single foreigner for a month. Certainly French is the language of the West Coast and of many hundreds of millions of people. I'm guessing if it also had Nigeria's 200million it would be the dominant language on the continent. English, again, is common in the places tourists frequent, but otherwise not widespread outside the capital cities. The vast majority of people even in very, very remote mud hut communities spoke at least two languages. 3+ was very common. [1] https://youtube.com/c/theroadchoseme https://youtube.com/c/theroadchoseme

adastra22 5y ago
Holy cow that's awesome. Sorry I don't have anything constructive to add, just that I'll be watching your backlog of videologs. What an amazing trip!
- grecy 5y ago
  Thanks! I knew it would be the biggest adventure of my life, and it was a thousand times more than I ever dreamed possible!
joshz404 5y ago
After learning kiswahili in Tanzania I went to Uganda for a vacation... At the bus terminal a bwana eventually pulled me aside and told me to quit speaking kiswahili there, because only the thieves spoke it there. I wasn't sure if I should be offended or humiliated. Anyway I went with english/spanish/swahili mixing after that cause brain. Either way skinny dipping in the blue nile was great.

dougk 5y ago

English and French are indeed lingua francas but depending on the country or even the city you're in, they can be used as equally as lingua franca with the dominant local language. People in Africa fluidly switch languages mid-conversation or even mid-sentence. In DRC for example, it's common to see a conversation in French and Swahili, or French and Lingala, or Lingala and Swahili. But most people will make an effort to stick to French when talking to a foreigner. I've also heard Kenyans say that Congolese people speak Swahili weird because they use French loanwords.