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So then the violence, looting, burning, and destruction of property that occurred at the same time and place as the BLM protests are somehow conveniently NOT th

So then the violence, looting, burning, and destruction of property that occurred at the same time and place as the BLM protests are somehow conveniently NOT the BLM protests?

kasey_junk 5y ago
I’m sure you actually do understand the difference right? In one case you have a group of people taking advantage of protests to engage in criminal theft that is divorced from the reason for the protest. In the other the point of the protest was to disrupt the orderly transfer of power. The violence, looting etc were a mechanism to accomplish that goal. We wouldn’t include looters using the protests at the capital as cover for breaking into a mall in the capital protests anymore than we’d forgive a BLM protest that’s stated goal was disrupting general policing by starting a violent riot.
etchalon 5y ago
The point of the BLM protests weren't violence. The point of the Jan. 6th protest was.
- mbostleman 5y ago
  There were between 80k - 120k protesters [1] present on January 6. An estimated 1,200 illegally entered the building. That's 1%. Do you have a credible citation that indicates that the core purpose and motivation of the ~100k was to support the action of the 1%? [1] https://www.newsweek.com/exclusive-classified-documents-reveal-number-january-6-protestors-1661296 https://www.newsweek.com/exclusive-classified-documents-reve...
  - etchalon 5y ago
    The whole reason the protest existed was to convince, through intimidation, our Congress to overturn the results of free and fair election.
    - mbostleman 5y ago
      Since you repeat your assertion without providing evidence, I'll assume you do not have a credible citation.
      - etchalon 5y ago
        Please provide a credible citation that you have to provide a credible citation for something absolutely obvious.
    - meatsauce 5y ago
      - ncmncm 5y ago
        Anybody can make #&$@* up. And do.
      - etchalon 5y ago
        That never happened.
squarefoot 5y ago
Thieves, looters and criminals always take the opportunity to do their business when people is looking elsewhere. Would you blame New Orleans citizens because some bastards went around stealing stuff during the Katrina hurricane? Right now there are Ukrainians looting empty houses and closed shops; there are reports of people killed and robbed in the streets, and the news comes from EU journalists, not Russian propaganda; would this make the Ukrainian resistance any less worth of support? Regarding fires and destruction, yes, that is very possible and believable. Undercover agents aside, when angry people protest down the street, it is almost certain that some are from borderline or full criminals; it's just that a percentage of the population is made of criminals regardless of color, gender or class. Put enough people together and you soon get a 100% chance that at least one of them is a criminal. A few months ago anti vax protesters vandalized one of our national trade unions offices. They were mostly extreme right wing militants, all white. https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2021/10/25/how-a-covid-pass-protest-sparked-a-debate-in-italy-on-its-fascist-past https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2021/10/25/how-a-covid-pa...

So then the violence, looting, burning, and destruction of property that occurred at the same time and place as the BLM protests are somehow conveniently NOT the BLM protests?

kasey_junk 5y ago

I’m sure you actually do understand the difference right? In one case you have a group of people taking advantage of protests to engage in criminal theft that is divorced from the reason for the protest. In the other the point of the protest was to disrupt the orderly transfer of power. The violence, looting etc were a mechanism to accomplish that goal. We wouldn’t include looters using the protests at the capital as cover for breaking into a mall in the capital protests anymore than we’d forgive a BLM protest that’s stated goal was disrupting general policing by starting a violent riot.

etchalon 5y ago

The point of the BLM protests weren't violence. The point of the Jan. 6th protest was.

mbostleman 5y ago
There were between 80k - 120k protesters [1] present on January 6. An estimated 1,200 illegally entered the building. That's 1%. Do you have a credible citation that indicates that the core purpose and motivation of the ~100k was to support the action of the 1%? [1] https://www.newsweek.com/exclusive-classified-documents-reveal-number-january-6-protestors-1661296 https://www.newsweek.com/exclusive-classified-documents-reve...
- etchalon 5y ago
  The whole reason the protest existed was to convince, through intimidation, our Congress to overturn the results of free and fair election.
  - mbostleman 5y ago
    Since you repeat your assertion without providing evidence, I'll assume you do not have a credible citation.
    - etchalon 5y ago
      Please provide a credible citation that you have to provide a credible citation for something absolutely obvious.
  - meatsauce 5y ago
    - ncmncm 5y ago
      Anybody can make #&$@* up. And do.
    - etchalon 5y ago
      That never happened.

squarefoot 5y ago

Thieves, looters and criminals always take the opportunity to do their business when people is looking elsewhere. Would you blame New Orleans citizens because some bastards went around stealing stuff during the Katrina hurricane? Right now there are Ukrainians looting empty houses and closed shops; there are reports of people killed and robbed in the streets, and the news comes from EU journalists, not Russian propaganda; would this make the Ukrainian resistance any less worth of support? Regarding fires and destruction, yes, that is very possible and believable. Undercover agents aside, when angry people protest down the street, it is almost certain that some are from borderline or full criminals; it's just that a percentage of the population is made of criminals regardless of color, gender or class. Put enough people together and you soon get a 100% chance that at least one of them is a criminal. A few months ago anti vax protesters vandalized one of our national trade unions offices. They were mostly extreme right wing militants, all white. https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2021/10/25/how-a-covid-pass-protest-sparked-a-debate-in-italy-on-its-fascist-past https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2021/10/25/how-a-covid-pa...