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So you contend that "the Democrats" (who obviously are a fully united entity who never disagree) should have kept all the restrictions even though the Omicron w

by birken 5y ago

So you contend that "the Democrats" (who obviously are a fully united entity who never disagree) should have kept all the restrictions even though the Omicron wave is ending? What should they have done?

nostromo 5y ago
It's just exposing the lie that "following the data" meant "following the polling data." That's fine, that's how democracy works. But it erodes trust in the political bodies that made all these rules and then just overturn them on a whim.
- birken 5y ago
  If the public are also "following the data", then the polling data and scientific consensus are likely to be highly correlated. I don't think it is nefarious at all that the general public and political leaders come to the same conclusions at about the same time when both are reacting same set of factors.
  - calculatte 5y ago
    "We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." - William J. Casey, CIA Director (1981)
    - hatware 5y ago
      It's amazing what people will ignore even though it's directly in front of their eyes.
greggman3 5y ago
I don't care who's in charge. I care if suggestions/mandates fit the data. As of today, daily new cases in California are 2x-4x and deaths around 2x what they were in November. If in a week they are 1x then ok, open. But before then? Further, I guess it remains to be seen but I'd suspect lifting the restrictions will just rebound the numbers. Happy if I'm wrong though. I certainly would like to go to meetups, bars, etc...
- astrange 5y ago
  California is a big place, and that's not what the numbers look like in the Bay Area. https://covid19.sccgov.org/dashboards https://covid19.sccgov.org/dashboards https://covid19.sccgov.org/dashboard-wastewater https://covid19.sccgov.org/dashboard-wastewater I actually don't think the numbers will rebound; once everyone is protected from delta+omicron that does _not_ mean a new variant can keep appearing forever. It has to be different from both of them for immune escape, and that gets harder each time. Also, we have antivirals now (paxlovid) which we didn't have even a month ago and are very effective.
- seanmcdirmid 5y ago
  Most of the serious cases/deaths are unvaccinated. Since they made that choice to endure that extra risk, there simply is no reason for the rest of us to carry on with the consequences of their choices.
- patrick451 5y ago
  There was no guarantee we got it right (however you define that) six months ago. So it makes zero sense to match today's policy to the policy six months ago just because the case counts are similar. This is just cargo culted public policy. Secondly, countless times we have seen a negative correlation between restrictions and case/death counts.
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seanmcdirmid 5y ago
Damned if they did, damned if the didn’t. Republicans have it out for the Democrats, they can’t make a decision that they won’t call out as the wrong one.
- bduerst 5y ago
  Or spin as one, even if it means apologizing for Vladimir Putin.

by birken 5y ago

nostromo 5y ago

It's just exposing the lie that "following the data" meant "following the polling data." That's fine, that's how democracy works. But it erodes trust in the political bodies that made all these rules and then just overturn them on a whim.

birken 5y ago
If the public are also "following the data", then the polling data and scientific consensus are likely to be highly correlated. I don't think it is nefarious at all that the general public and political leaders come to the same conclusions at about the same time when both are reacting same set of factors.
- calculatte 5y ago
  "We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." - William J. Casey, CIA Director (1981)
  - hatware 5y ago
    It's amazing what people will ignore even though it's directly in front of their eyes.

greggman3 5y ago

I don't care who's in charge. I care if suggestions/mandates fit the data. As of today, daily new cases in California are 2x-4x and deaths around 2x what they were in November. If in a week they are 1x then ok, open. But before then? Further, I guess it remains to be seen but I'd suspect lifting the restrictions will just rebound the numbers. Happy if I'm wrong though. I certainly would like to go to meetups, bars, etc...

astrange 5y ago
California is a big place, and that's not what the numbers look like in the Bay Area. https://covid19.sccgov.org/dashboards https://covid19.sccgov.org/dashboards https://covid19.sccgov.org/dashboard-wastewater https://covid19.sccgov.org/dashboard-wastewater I actually don't think the numbers will rebound; once everyone is protected from delta+omicron that does _not_ mean a new variant can keep appearing forever. It has to be different from both of them for immune escape, and that gets harder each time. Also, we have antivirals now (paxlovid) which we didn't have even a month ago and are very effective.
seanmcdirmid 5y ago
Most of the serious cases/deaths are unvaccinated. Since they made that choice to endure that extra risk, there simply is no reason for the rest of us to carry on with the consequences of their choices.
patrick451 5y ago
There was no guarantee we got it right (however you define that) six months ago. So it makes zero sense to match today's policy to the policy six months ago just because the case counts are similar. This is just cargo culted public policy. Secondly, countless times we have seen a negative correlation between restrictions and case/death counts.
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seanmcdirmid 5y ago

Damned if they did, damned if the didn’t. Republicans have it out for the Democrats, they can’t make a decision that they won’t call out as the wrong one.

bduerst 5y ago
Or spin as one, even if it means apologizing for Vladimir Putin.