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> If your document contains elements like footnotes, headers and footers, or watermarks, and it is converted to pageless, those elements will not be visible. H

> If your document contains elements like footnotes, headers and footers, or watermarks, and it is converted to pageless, those elements will not be visible. Headers and footers are print-oriented, but losing footnotes is not ok. They could have displayed on the side, or highlighted in some way to display on mouse over or click. Whatever, just make them available...

polote 5y ago
Then don't use the pageless feature and you will not have any issue
- zarkov99 5y ago
  Pageless is great, except for the loss of footnotes. Why not fix that and have the best of both worlds?
- rmbyrro 5y ago
  If footnotes are essential, I really won't use. But I don't think this should stop us from discussing a way to possibly improving a product.
kyrra 5y ago
(Googler, opinions are my own) I've used the new pageless style for a while and losing footnotes was a little annoying at first, be we adapted. I don't have a perfect solution to it, there are alternatives you can do (glossary or something at the end, with a bookmark on each item, so you can link directly to it). If you make heavy use of footnotes, don't use the new feature (as others have said). It's a tradeoff, and I mostly prefer pageless, especially when embedding images that are larger (width wise).
- jer0me 5y ago
  Just spitballing, doesn't seem like you're on the team, but a possible solution could be a little popup when you hover over a footnote like Wikipedia has. Or maybe an option to put all the footnotes at the bottom of the document, except when printing.
  - jonny_eh 5y ago
    How would hovering work for a non-mouse user?
    - jer0me 5y ago
      Tapping, or perhaps it would appear when the cursor is next to the footnote?
      - getcrunk 5y ago
        +1 for tap/click, even for mouse user
  - mvkel 5y ago
    Requiring hover/tap for content context isn't good accessibility. Better to just find an alternative to footnotes.
- rmbyrro 5y ago
  Maybe the team behind pageless sees footnotes from a print-oriented perspective. I would look at them as sort of a content enrichment. Like a comment applied to the text. Pageless has comments. Why would it be so bad to place footnotes alongside with comments? Or perhaps on the left side, below the headings index?
TAKEMYMONEY 5y ago
Why not replace them with linked citations à la Wikipedia?
dudus 5y ago
I agree, there's no reason to lose that feature. Just add the footnotes at the bottom of the doc, no matter how long it is and make the number references clickable to toggle between them. I'd even go as far as say Headers and Footers should be preserved but just included once at the very top and very bottom. Unless you toggle back to page mode and then everything just works. No data loss. Seems like an easy improvement to make to pageless mode in the short term.
- lrem 5y ago
  Have you ever heard the term "analysis paralysis"?
  - dudus 5y ago
    Yes. I'm a prime example
mpalmer 5y ago
Side display of footnotes a la Tufte would be an enticing option, but I guess that's comment real estate in Docs. https://edwardtufte.github.io/tufte-css/#:~:text=Sidenotes%3A%20Footnotes%20and%20Marginal%20Notes https://edwardtufte.github.io/tufte-css/#:~:text=Sidenotes%3...
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polote 5y ago

Then don't use the pageless feature and you will not have any issue

zarkov99 5y ago
Pageless is great, except for the loss of footnotes. Why not fix that and have the best of both worlds?
rmbyrro 5y ago
If footnotes are essential, I really won't use. But I don't think this should stop us from discussing a way to possibly improving a product.

kyrra 5y ago

(Googler, opinions are my own) I've used the new pageless style for a while and losing footnotes was a little annoying at first, be we adapted. I don't have a perfect solution to it, there are alternatives you can do (glossary or something at the end, with a bookmark on each item, so you can link directly to it). If you make heavy use of footnotes, don't use the new feature (as others have said). It's a tradeoff, and I mostly prefer pageless, especially when embedding images that are larger (width wise).

jer0me 5y ago
Just spitballing, doesn't seem like you're on the team, but a possible solution could be a little popup when you hover over a footnote like Wikipedia has. Or maybe an option to put all the footnotes at the bottom of the document, except when printing.
- jonny_eh 5y ago
  How would hovering work for a non-mouse user?
  - jer0me 5y ago
    Tapping, or perhaps it would appear when the cursor is next to the footnote?
    - getcrunk 5y ago
      +1 for tap/click, even for mouse user
- mvkel 5y ago
  Requiring hover/tap for content context isn't good accessibility. Better to just find an alternative to footnotes.
rmbyrro 5y ago
Maybe the team behind pageless sees footnotes from a print-oriented perspective. I would look at them as sort of a content enrichment. Like a comment applied to the text. Pageless has comments. Why would it be so bad to place footnotes alongside with comments? Or perhaps on the left side, below the headings index?

TAKEMYMONEY 5y ago

Why not replace them with linked citations à la Wikipedia?

dudus 5y ago

I agree, there's no reason to lose that feature. Just add the footnotes at the bottom of the doc, no matter how long it is and make the number references clickable to toggle between them. I'd even go as far as say Headers and Footers should be preserved but just included once at the very top and very bottom. Unless you toggle back to page mode and then everything just works. No data loss. Seems like an easy improvement to make to pageless mode in the short term.

lrem 5y ago
Have you ever heard the term "analysis paralysis"?
- dudus 5y ago
  Yes. I'm a prime example

mpalmer 5y ago

Side display of footnotes a la Tufte would be an enticing option, but I guess that's comment real estate in Docs. https://edwardtufte.github.io/tufte-css/#:~:text=Sidenotes%3A%20Footnotes%20and%20Marginal%20Notes https://edwardtufte.github.io/tufte-css/#:~:text=Sidenotes%3...

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