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The system is not autonomous so it requires driver's supervision. Autopilot slowing down can be quickly overridden with a gas pedal, yet the car came to a comp

The system is not autonomous so it requires driver's supervision. Autopilot slowing down can be quickly overridden with a gas pedal, yet the car came to a complete stop.

whiplash451 5y ago
What leads you to think that the AI could not bring the car to a complete & abrupt stop?
- antattack 5y ago
  Because the car is not autonomous. Driver has full control of the car and can override Autopilot at any time, especially such obvious maneuver as slowing down. In this case, there's no evidence to even suggest it was an abrupt stop.
  - whiplash451 5y ago
    > In this case, there's no evidence to even suggest it was an abrupt stop. That's exactly what happened based on this article, assuming we agree that "slam on the break" means an abrupt stop. "At first, the Independence Police Department speculated that a mechanical issue caused the Tesla to lose power, but officials are now saying they are unsure what made the vehicle stop unexpectedly [...] Last month, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration launched a preliminary investigation into Tesla after hundreds of owners reported that their vehicles would sometimes unexpectedly slam on the brakes for no apparent reason. According to the agency, these incidents, known as "phantom braking," sometimes happened at highway speeds. Sudden braking occurred when owners had switched on cruise control or Autopilot, a system that automatically brakes, steers, and accelerates to aid with highway driving. NHTSA is investigating the phenomenon in Model Y and Model 3 vehicles from the 2021 and 2022 model years. Owners of 2019 and 2020 vehicles have also complained to NHTSA about phantom braking."
    - antattack 5y ago
      'phantom braking' slows down the vehicle, it does not stop it and can be overridden, at any time, by a driver by pressing accelerator. None of the incidents reported to NHTSA resulted in an accident, but braking is unexpected and unwelcome - likely reason why drivers reported it. Given that earlier reports suspected loss of power - stopping could not have been abrupt. We don't even know if the car was on Autopilot, but we do know that driver was 74 years old, with higher chance for medical emergency.

The system is not autonomous so it requires driver's supervision. Autopilot slowing down can be quickly overridden with a gas pedal, yet the car came to a complete stop.

whiplash451 5y ago

What leads you to think that the AI could not bring the car to a complete & abrupt stop?

antattack 5y ago
Because the car is not autonomous. Driver has full control of the car and can override Autopilot at any time, especially such obvious maneuver as slowing down. In this case, there's no evidence to even suggest it was an abrupt stop.
- whiplash451 5y ago
  > In this case, there's no evidence to even suggest it was an abrupt stop. That's exactly what happened based on this article, assuming we agree that "slam on the break" means an abrupt stop. "At first, the Independence Police Department speculated that a mechanical issue caused the Tesla to lose power, but officials are now saying they are unsure what made the vehicle stop unexpectedly [...] Last month, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration launched a preliminary investigation into Tesla after hundreds of owners reported that their vehicles would sometimes unexpectedly slam on the brakes for no apparent reason. According to the agency, these incidents, known as "phantom braking," sometimes happened at highway speeds. Sudden braking occurred when owners had switched on cruise control or Autopilot, a system that automatically brakes, steers, and accelerates to aid with highway driving. NHTSA is investigating the phenomenon in Model Y and Model 3 vehicles from the 2021 and 2022 model years. Owners of 2019 and 2020 vehicles have also complained to NHTSA about phantom braking."
  - antattack 5y ago
    'phantom braking' slows down the vehicle, it does not stop it and can be overridden, at any time, by a driver by pressing accelerator. None of the incidents reported to NHTSA resulted in an accident, but braking is unexpected and unwelcome - likely reason why drivers reported it. Given that earlier reports suspected loss of power - stopping could not have been abrupt. We don't even know if the car was on Autopilot, but we do know that driver was 74 years old, with higher chance for medical emergency.