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Interslavic is another similar project. They don't like Slovio too much: http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/index.html http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/index.htm

Interslavic is another similar project. They don't like Slovio too much: http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/index.html http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/index.html http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/faq.html#slovio http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/faq.html#slovio

k__ 5y ago
lol No real slavsman!
stychos 5y ago
This one looks much better.
exitb 5y ago
As a Polish speaker, Interslavic seems significantly easier and more natural to read, but I wonder if it's actually universally better, or just more suited for western Slavs.
- helge9210 5y ago
  Same for me (as a native Ukrainian speaker).
ivoras 5y ago
As a speaker of Croatian (southern Slavic) and Ukrainian (western Slavic), both Slavio and InterSlavic are bad from the Croatian POW, but InterSlavic is definitely a better choice in either case. Many word forms in InterSlavic just seem like strangely archaic versions of Croatian, but might pass as "just strange" for Ukrainian.
- ajuc 5y ago
  Ukrainian is eastern Slavic though? As a speaker of Polish (western Slavic) reasonably familiar with Ukrainian I find InterSlavic and madzuslovanski (or whatever it's spelled) much better than this Slavio.
  - romwell 5y ago
    As a Ukrainian & Russian speaker, I find Polish intelligelible, and Polish people generally understand me when I speak Ukrainian. The languages are much closer than any of them is to Russian.
  - drran 5y ago
    Ukrainian is a Slavic language. It's average of language spoken by 9 tribes with light influence of ancient Greek from Crimea and Byzantine, with almost no German and Latin influence, because they are proxied by Slavic neighborhoods. Greeks influenced Ukrainian language indirectly: via songs. When Ukrainian salt traders (chumaks, чумаки) visited Crimea, they also picked fresh songs to sing when traveling, and then they spread those new song all over Ukraine. Often, chumaks based their songs on Greek songs, because ancient Greeks were much better in music. Chumaks also created portable copy of harp, which they called «bandura» («big thing»), which then used for hundreds of years.
- wheelerof4te 5y ago
  Interslavic seems just as understandable to me. Sometimes I wish all slavic people had one country, one language. Let's call it Slavia.
  - medo-bear 5y ago
    draw a possible map of Slavia and see it from a perspective of neighbouring non-Slavic countries. would you find such a political structure threatening? this is the reason i think it would be a bad idea. what would be nice in my opinion is a larger inter-slavic cultural exchange: in academic research, text books, litterature, music, film, etc
    - wheelerof4te 5y ago
      They find us treatening even now. But yes, cultural exchange can be a good first step.
      - vkou 5y ago
        I don't know, I think after two decades of Cold War II, Western Europe will warm up to Slavs living east of Bialystok. Nothing brings people closer together than a common enemy. [1] [1] See: The Brits and the French, the French and the Germans, etc, etc.
  - drno123 5y ago
    We had Yugoslavia, for southern Slavic people. Didn’t work out.
    - wheelerof4te 5y ago
      It did not work out because the binding ideology wasn't pan-slavism, but rather bad mix of communism and socialism. Also, instead of returning to our root slavic religion, we got atheism. Without any form of religion, people can not feel that deep bond. Especially Slavic people, who are naturaly very religious. Yugoslavia was a mistake, but not for reasons you might think.
- medo-bear 5y ago
  its certainly strange but im not sure if "bad" is fair here. what i can say is that i understood what was being said on very first reading for both. i imagine if travelling to poland or russia and seeing instructions written in slovio/inter-slavic would be quite easy to follow
- gnulinux 5y ago
  Just a nitpick: Ukrainian is Eastern Slavic.
tut-urut-utut 5y ago
From the linked page: "Slovio is not very Slavic at all: its grammar is almost entirely based on Esperanto, its word building mechanisms are mostly Germanic, and its vocabulary, although clearly dominated by (often mutilated) Russian words, does not relate in any predictable way to the Slavic languages either. As a result, its educational value is practically zero." This was also my impression of Slovio after attempting to read a few texts. Interslavic feels much more natural, coming from the perspective of a heavy dialect speaker of one of the south Slavic languages.
- mcv 5y ago
  From comments here, my impression as a completely non-Slavic speaker, is that Slovio is more artificial, designed to be easy to learn by non-Slavic speakers and still somewhat understandable by all Slavic speakers, whereas Interslavic is much closer to a real Slavic language, but might be harder to learn for non-Slavic speakers. Does that make sense?
zvrba 5y ago
WTF/wow. As a native speaker of Croatian I can understand 80% directly and additional 10-15% by "interpolating into the context". Good work. EDIT: I don't like Slovio either, especially because of using x/cx/etc. instead of proper diacritics. EDIT2: I might event invest into learning it. I wouldn't speak any particular "native" language, but could find my way around all Slavic countries.
krzyk 5y ago
That one is easier for me also (as a Polish speaker). Slavio looks more like Russian-first and other Slavic languages added on top.
stared 5y ago
As a Pole, both languages are readable, but InterSlavic takes less effort and feels more natural. This FAQ matches my intuitions. That said, I would be curious how it works for other Slavic languages. Or, in other words, is it sort of equidistant or favors one language or the other? I mean, the FAQ claims that it is the easiest for Czechs and Slovaks (is it because of their geographical centrality and possibility that these languages are the closest to the "Slavic average"?) and harder for the South Slavs. However, and always, I would love to see any data.
- adrian_b 5y ago
  I know Russian and Bulgarian (non-native in both, but enough to be able to easily read books or watch movies spoken in them). This seems enough to allow me to understand effortlessly the examples that I see for both InterSlavic and Slovio. However I would need to study them more in detail, to form an opinion about which is better. At least they achieve the goal of easy understanding for someone familiar with Slavic languages.
- smasty 5y ago
  As a Slovak I can confirm it's pretty easy to read both, although I hate the usage of cx, sx, ... instead of č, š, ... in Slovio. I feel like Interslavic is closer in vocabulary to Slovak, but the form of the words is a bit foreign (reminds me of some other Slavic languages, although I can't quite figure out which one), while the opposite is the case with Slovio - the form of the words feels closer to Slovak, but the vocabulary itself feels more "Russian" to me.
hurflmurfl 5y ago
As a speaker of Russian and Bulgarian, Interslavic seems to be easier to read. Slovio gets me to ponder on some words a bit more.
ivanche 5y ago
As a Serbian, Interslavic seems much easier to read and understand than Slovio.
isodev 5y ago
Wow, what a great idea! I'm originally from Bulgaria and I've enjoyed this kind of "universal understanding" to some level with almost all nearby Slavic countries (e.g. Macedonia, Serbia, Ukraine). I really like the approach of Slovio, it was instantly clear and understandable. I think with some practice it won't be a challenge to adopt it in writing (e.g. plurals with "-s" for some words is a bit strange at first).
tomp 5y ago
interesting. From my perspective (Slovenian native, know some Serbo-Croatian & Russian), Slovio is much better. At first glance: - Interslavic needlessly complicates the alphabet - there is no need for "y" where "i" would suffice, there is no need for "Ě" where "je" would suffice - Interslavic needlessly complicates spelling / words - surely there should be a drive towards simplification and shortening, especially in a "shared" langauge: "koristajut" -> "koristaju" "medžuslovjansky" -> "medslovanski" "jest" -> "je" or "es" In general, I can understand most of Interslavic and most of Slovio, but Slovio is easier.
Daegalus 5y ago
as a Bulgarian and Russian speaker, I find Interslavic easier to understand. Slovio has some stuff that takes me a bit longer to process. I have always enjoyed the closeness of Slavic languages. I don't know a lick of Polish, but I can read and understand maybe 70-80% of a polish paragraph. same for a lot of Slavic languages.
smasty 5y ago
As a Slovak, Interslavic feels easier to read and understand, though I can understand Slovio as well. From my experience, Slovak speakers can understand other Slavic languages pretty well: Czech is basically our second native language (although for some reason it seems Czechs don't understand Slovak quite to the same degree), Polish, Slovenian and Croatian are understandable as well. Russian is a lot harder, even when written in Latin. I don't have experience with Ukrainian.

k__ 5y ago

lol No real slavsman!

stychos 5y ago

This one looks much better.

exitb 5y ago

As a Polish speaker, Interslavic seems significantly easier and more natural to read, but I wonder if it's actually universally better, or just more suited for western Slavs.

helge9210 5y ago
Same for me (as a native Ukrainian speaker).

ivoras 5y ago

As a speaker of Croatian (southern Slavic) and Ukrainian (western Slavic), both Slavio and InterSlavic are bad from the Croatian POW, but InterSlavic is definitely a better choice in either case. Many word forms in InterSlavic just seem like strangely archaic versions of Croatian, but might pass as "just strange" for Ukrainian.

ajuc 5y ago
Ukrainian is eastern Slavic though? As a speaker of Polish (western Slavic) reasonably familiar with Ukrainian I find InterSlavic and madzuslovanski (or whatever it's spelled) much better than this Slavio.
- romwell 5y ago
  As a Ukrainian & Russian speaker, I find Polish intelligelible, and Polish people generally understand me when I speak Ukrainian. The languages are much closer than any of them is to Russian.
- drran 5y ago
  Ukrainian is a Slavic language. It's average of language spoken by 9 tribes with light influence of ancient Greek from Crimea and Byzantine, with almost no German and Latin influence, because they are proxied by Slavic neighborhoods. Greeks influenced Ukrainian language indirectly: via songs. When Ukrainian salt traders (chumaks, чумаки) visited Crimea, they also picked fresh songs to sing when traveling, and then they spread those new song all over Ukraine. Often, chumaks based their songs on Greek songs, because ancient Greeks were much better in music. Chumaks also created portable copy of harp, which they called «bandura» («big thing»), which then used for hundreds of years.
wheelerof4te 5y ago
Interslavic seems just as understandable to me. Sometimes I wish all slavic people had one country, one language. Let's call it Slavia.
- medo-bear 5y ago
  draw a possible map of Slavia and see it from a perspective of neighbouring non-Slavic countries. would you find such a political structure threatening? this is the reason i think it would be a bad idea. what would be nice in my opinion is a larger inter-slavic cultural exchange: in academic research, text books, litterature, music, film, etc
  - wheelerof4te 5y ago
    They find us treatening even now. But yes, cultural exchange can be a good first step.
    - vkou 5y ago
      I don't know, I think after two decades of Cold War II, Western Europe will warm up to Slavs living east of Bialystok. Nothing brings people closer together than a common enemy. [1] [1] See: The Brits and the French, the French and the Germans, etc, etc.
- drno123 5y ago
  We had Yugoslavia, for southern Slavic people. Didn’t work out.
  - wheelerof4te 5y ago
    It did not work out because the binding ideology wasn't pan-slavism, but rather bad mix of communism and socialism. Also, instead of returning to our root slavic religion, we got atheism. Without any form of religion, people can not feel that deep bond. Especially Slavic people, who are naturaly very religious. Yugoslavia was a mistake, but not for reasons you might think.
medo-bear 5y ago
its certainly strange but im not sure if "bad" is fair here. what i can say is that i understood what was being said on very first reading for both. i imagine if travelling to poland or russia and seeing instructions written in slovio/inter-slavic would be quite easy to follow
gnulinux 5y ago
Just a nitpick: Ukrainian is Eastern Slavic.

tut-urut-utut 5y ago

From the linked page: "Slovio is not very Slavic at all: its grammar is almost entirely based on Esperanto, its word building mechanisms are mostly Germanic, and its vocabulary, although clearly dominated by (often mutilated) Russian words, does not relate in any predictable way to the Slavic languages either. As a result, its educational value is practically zero." This was also my impression of Slovio after attempting to read a few texts. Interslavic feels much more natural, coming from the perspective of a heavy dialect speaker of one of the south Slavic languages.

mcv 5y ago
From comments here, my impression as a completely non-Slavic speaker, is that Slovio is more artificial, designed to be easy to learn by non-Slavic speakers and still somewhat understandable by all Slavic speakers, whereas Interslavic is much closer to a real Slavic language, but might be harder to learn for non-Slavic speakers. Does that make sense?

zvrba 5y ago

WTF/wow. As a native speaker of Croatian I can understand 80% directly and additional 10-15% by "interpolating into the context". Good work. EDIT: I don't like Slovio either, especially because of using x/cx/etc. instead of proper diacritics. EDIT2: I might event invest into learning it. I wouldn't speak any particular "native" language, but could find my way around all Slavic countries.

krzyk 5y ago

That one is easier for me also (as a Polish speaker). Slavio looks more like Russian-first and other Slavic languages added on top.

stared 5y ago

As a Pole, both languages are readable, but InterSlavic takes less effort and feels more natural. This FAQ matches my intuitions. That said, I would be curious how it works for other Slavic languages. Or, in other words, is it sort of equidistant or favors one language or the other? I mean, the FAQ claims that it is the easiest for Czechs and Slovaks (is it because of their geographical centrality and possibility that these languages are the closest to the "Slavic average"?) and harder for the South Slavs. However, and always, I would love to see any data.

adrian_b 5y ago
I know Russian and Bulgarian (non-native in both, but enough to be able to easily read books or watch movies spoken in them). This seems enough to allow me to understand effortlessly the examples that I see for both InterSlavic and Slovio. However I would need to study them more in detail, to form an opinion about which is better. At least they achieve the goal of easy understanding for someone familiar with Slavic languages.
smasty 5y ago
As a Slovak I can confirm it's pretty easy to read both, although I hate the usage of cx, sx, ... instead of č, š, ... in Slovio. I feel like Interslavic is closer in vocabulary to Slovak, but the form of the words is a bit foreign (reminds me of some other Slavic languages, although I can't quite figure out which one), while the opposite is the case with Slovio - the form of the words feels closer to Slovak, but the vocabulary itself feels more "Russian" to me.

hurflmurfl 5y ago

As a speaker of Russian and Bulgarian, Interslavic seems to be easier to read. Slovio gets me to ponder on some words a bit more.

ivanche 5y ago

As a Serbian, Interslavic seems much easier to read and understand than Slovio.

isodev 5y ago

Wow, what a great idea! I'm originally from Bulgaria and I've enjoyed this kind of "universal understanding" to some level with almost all nearby Slavic countries (e.g. Macedonia, Serbia, Ukraine). I really like the approach of Slovio, it was instantly clear and understandable. I think with some practice it won't be a challenge to adopt it in writing (e.g. plurals with "-s" for some words is a bit strange at first).

tomp 5y ago

interesting. From my perspective (Slovenian native, know some Serbo-Croatian & Russian), Slovio is much better. At first glance: - Interslavic needlessly complicates the alphabet - there is no need for "y" where "i" would suffice, there is no need for "Ě" where "je" would suffice - Interslavic needlessly complicates spelling / words - surely there should be a drive towards simplification and shortening, especially in a "shared" langauge: "koristajut" -> "koristaju" "medžuslovjansky" -> "medslovanski" "jest" -> "je" or "es" In general, I can understand most of Interslavic and most of Slovio, but Slovio is easier.

Daegalus 5y ago

as a Bulgarian and Russian speaker, I find Interslavic easier to understand. Slovio has some stuff that takes me a bit longer to process. I have always enjoyed the closeness of Slavic languages. I don't know a lick of Polish, but I can read and understand maybe 70-80% of a polish paragraph. same for a lot of Slavic languages.

smasty 5y ago

As a Slovak, Interslavic feels easier to read and understand, though I can understand Slovio as well. From my experience, Slovak speakers can understand other Slavic languages pretty well: Czech is basically our second native language (although for some reason it seems Czechs don't understand Slovak quite to the same degree), Polish, Slovenian and Croatian are understandable as well. Russian is a lot harder, even when written in Latin. I don't have experience with Ukrainian.