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Do you drive a car? Ride a bike in traffic? One false move and you are dead. You, like most people, are probably competent at these things that would be very r

Do you drive a car? Ride a bike in traffic? One false move and you are dead. You, like most people, are probably competent at these things that would be very risky but for your skill.

misotakacs 5y ago
As a climber, I don't think it's comparable. The death rate among notorious soloists (as compared to rate among people who bike in traffic every day) agrees here. Each bad move on a solo is death. For driving, biking in traffic, it has to be a series of bad circumstances to mean death.
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- codecurve 5y ago
  Also a climber, and occasional soloist. You can absolutely make a bad move on a solo and not die. The soloists who achieve notoriety are either pushing the limits, or seeking adrenaline, which skews the stats, especially when you check the number of them that passed doing non-climbing activities. It's not particularly fair to compare that demographic to the average folks who bike in traffic every day. Soloing well within your limits is like riding a bike on a quiet road, there are things that can go wrong, but something extraordinary has to happen for it to be serious. Soloing close to (or outside of) your limits is like riding a bike on a busy motorway. The margins for error disappear and mistakes are far more likely to be fatal.
annexrichmond 5y ago
I'm pretty sure the ratio of possible deadly moves : good moves in rock climbing is much higher than that of driving.
eternityforest 5y ago
Nope, I've never learned to drive. I mess up basic things like left/right confusion far too often, and have no idea how people are able to safety drive. I've tried a few times but it seems entirely impossible. One time I literally made it a months long project to learn to not leave my keys in the front door. To the point of programming my phone with random voice reminders and getting up to check at 3AM.... and I never got anywhere near 100%. I just use a lanyard. I don't see how I'd ever drive when driving is made of dozens of tasks like that, and I can't even do one of them. My list of rules and workarounds is long enough that I've actually posted them on GitHub and I treat counting to ten as a high failure risk project that demands care and triple checking.

Do you drive a car? Ride a bike in traffic? One false move and you are dead. You, like most people, are probably competent at these things that would be very risky but for your skill.

misotakacs 5y ago

As a climber, I don't think it's comparable. The death rate among notorious soloists (as compared to rate among people who bike in traffic every day) agrees here. Each bad move on a solo is death. For driving, biking in traffic, it has to be a series of bad circumstances to mean death.

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codecurve 5y ago
Also a climber, and occasional soloist. You can absolutely make a bad move on a solo and not die. The soloists who achieve notoriety are either pushing the limits, or seeking adrenaline, which skews the stats, especially when you check the number of them that passed doing non-climbing activities. It's not particularly fair to compare that demographic to the average folks who bike in traffic every day. Soloing well within your limits is like riding a bike on a quiet road, there are things that can go wrong, but something extraordinary has to happen for it to be serious. Soloing close to (or outside of) your limits is like riding a bike on a busy motorway. The margins for error disappear and mistakes are far more likely to be fatal.

annexrichmond 5y ago

I'm pretty sure the ratio of possible deadly moves : good moves in rock climbing is much higher than that of driving.

eternityforest 5y ago

Nope, I've never learned to drive. I mess up basic things like left/right confusion far too often, and have no idea how people are able to safety drive. I've tried a few times but it seems entirely impossible. One time I literally made it a months long project to learn to not leave my keys in the front door. To the point of programming my phone with random voice reminders and getting up to check at 3AM.... and I never got anywhere near 100%. I just use a lanyard. I don't see how I'd ever drive when driving is made of dozens of tasks like that, and I can't even do one of them. My list of rules and workarounds is long enough that I've actually posted them on GitHub and I treat counting to ten as a high failure risk project that demands care and triple checking.