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Operators of nuclear plant are civilians. They are not part of force. Civilians can be captured, they cannot surrender, because nobody asks them to do that. I n
by twaw 5y ago
Operators of nuclear plant are civilians. They are not part of force. Civilians can be captured, they cannot surrender, because nobody asks them to do that. I never heard that police or army asks somebody unarmed to surrender.
- gambiting 5y agoReally? You have never heard anyone ever describe regular citizens surrendering to the invader? I feel like you are arguing a technicality here - if you are faced with people with guns of course you'd say "I surrender" even if technically that's not what you're doing.
- seanhandley 5y agoWelcome to HN. The home of "Well, technically".
- teekert 5y agoYeah, it’s why I feels so at home here and the primary source of my relationship issues.
- selfhoster11 5y agoWell, technically that's Reddit and not HN.
- raxxorrax 5y agoDo you have a source for that?
- wiz21c 5y agoTBH, Putin is not calling a war a war, the turkish governemnt took some time to say it's war too, etc. ('cos calling it a war would mean triggering consequences). So, government's are super technical too... (not saying it's good or bad, I don't know, just saying that they are extremely technical with their words)
- dan-0 5y agoKeep in mind, not everyone here speaks English proficiently or primarily. Nuances in definitions can lead to widely different interpretations.
- SLWW 5y agoGiven recent moves to allow Ukrainians everywhere to bear arms in response to the invasion. It's rather reasonable to see that the Civilians, once they enter into defending a stronghold (in this case, just a power plant), that they are now considered a militia, which can surrender.
- thefounder 5y agoBut not all civilians bear arms so not all are considered militia thus they can't "surrender"
- Bjartr 5y agoI looked up surrender in a few dictionaries, and none of them even mention this constraint as a secondary definition, much less the primary meaning. It just means: to give oneself up, submit, yield; relinquish possession or control over So yes, those in charge of the plant surrendered it to the attackers.
- NikolaNovak 5y ago"I never heard that police or army asks somebody unarmed to surrender." I don't understand the statement. Either it is completely oblivious to daily reality, or it is hinging on some pedantic / language dependent semantic detail that should really be explicitly addressed.