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Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail
- artem247 5y ago
- sjmm1989 5y agoHmmm... seems oddly reminiscent of something once done in a certain countries history. Almost as if it is being repeated.
- pixl97 5y agoLike a set of steel blinds.
- buscoquadnary 5y agoI'm just waiting for them to press the button to flip their UN sign. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5u1u5IuLec https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5u1u5IuLec
- krapp 5y agobetter to post it at the relevant timestamp: https://youtu.be/L5u1u5IuLec?t=69 https://youtu.be/L5u1u5IuLec?t=69
- mediumsmart 5y agoyou could not start a war with a fake vial of wmd. no one would do that.
- asats 5y agoTwo out of the last three remaining somewhat independent media that were still operating in the country (already under major restrictions) were also shut down, TV rain just did their last transmission and walked out of the studio crying: https://youtu.be/e4an0MlF27k?t=11397 https://youtu.be/e4an0MlF27k?t=11397 Twitter and facebook are being blocked. Youtube and group chats in telegram/signal/etc are the only things left right now. 7670 people have been detained so far.
- madaxe_again 5y agoThey ended with swan lake, which is rather apt.
- snek_case 5y agoVery similar to what China has done. Seems that it's unfortunately pretty effective. Control the information the people are fed and they control public opinion.
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- redisman 5y agoMy hunch is that works fine with 10% GDP growth every year. Without it? To be seen.
- throwoutway 5y agoI’ve been saying that this is starting to happen in the United States (there’s currently a public debate on this) and it could swing full authoritarian. I hope the citizens realize it can be just as bad in the West if we give governments and corporations more control
- okareaman 5y ago> Twitter and facebook are being blocked This is the silver lining as people on Reddit are reporting a marked decrease in right wing trolling in all their social media
- quasse 5y agoThis is something I'm very interested in. Is the average Western consumer of COVID misinformation, racial hate-baiting, etc. seeing a sudden decrease in new "content" to share? Does anyone know of any organizations studying the ongoing levels of creation and engagement with that type of content?
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- t_mann 5y agoRussia turning into North Korea v2 at lightning speed...
- hprotagonist 5y agoA new arrival to Gulag is asked: "What were you given 10 years for?" – "For nothing!" – "Don't lie to us here, now! Everybody knows 'for nothing' is 3 years."
- aivisol 5y ago"I am American, I live in a free country: I can go to a main square and call president (Reagan/Nixon/whatever) an idiot and nothing will happen to me!" - "Well, I am Soviet citizen, I also live in a free country: I can go to a main square and call president (Reagan/Nixon/whatever) an idiot and nothing will happen to me!"
- hunterb123 5y agoI loved when Reagan told Soviet jokes, that was one of them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mN3z3eSVG7A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mN3z3eSVG7A The YT comment section actually has a few gems too.
- mhh__ 5y agoI always get that video recommended underneath footage of atomic bombs going off or movies like threads. Fitting, because the Reagan administration didn't realize at the time that they were accidently convincing the increasingly old men leading the USSR that the US was preparing a first strike on the evil empire.
- mc32 5y agoHeh. The one where he has two Russians arguing and one asked whether the SU was at the pinnacle of communism and his buddy’s answer was hell no, things are gonna get a lot worse!
- ch4s3 5y agoI literally laughed out loud when I hit that line in Gulag Archipelago. Solzhenitsyn was brilliant.
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- pavlov 5y agoIt's good to remember that the previous American president also waged a war against every media outlet he didn't like by claiming they were "fake news." It's the same authoritarianism in different stages. And if you think nobody in America wants to jail journalists and media CEOs, go look at any forum with a substantial amount of Republicans talking freely.
- calculatte 5y ago
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- throwaway5752 5y agoThe backchannels were Manafort/Kilimnik, Michael Flynn/Kislyak, and more. https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/03/connections-trump-putin-russia-ties-chart-flynn-page-manafort-sessions-214868/ https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/03/connections-... is a digestible background. That is just the US - most European countries have analogues, as do key Asian, African, and South American countries. The are not separate phenomenon at different stages, they are a global, coordinated group. They were coordinated by the massive cash flows coordinated by a small group in Russia. The use coordinated tactics, in concert with each other.
- mediumsmart 5y ago
- anthk 5y agoI guess why: https://nitter.snopyta.org/MarkAmesExiled/status/1499126424594178050#m https://nitter.snopyta.org/MarkAmesExiled/status/14991264245... No one is innocent here. On Spanish media they dared to use videogame images (Arma 3) as real footage, ditto with a Chinese civil explosion (causality/accident) as a Russia bombing strike.
- mediumsmart 5y ago
- magicalist 5y ago> No one is innocent I'm going to go with jailing citizens for 15 years as much worse than mildly critical journalists in Russia. Ignoring your combo whataboutism and gish gallop. Don't think Russia has much jurisdiction over some Spanish news channel.
- anthk 5y agoLithuania will be doing the exact same.
- anthk 5y agohttps://wikiless.org/wiki/Language_policy_in_Ukraine?lang=en https://wikiless.org/wiki/Language_policy_in_Ukraine?lang=en Look what happened in Ukraine. Among neonazis, they supported this: Ukraine's 2017 education law will make Ukrainian the required language of study in state schools from the fifth grade on, although it allows instruction in other languages as a separate subject,[65][66][67] to be phased in in 2023.[68] Since 2017, the Hungary–Ukraine relations rapidly deteriorated over the issue of the Hungarian minority in Ukraine.[69] According to the New Europe: The latest row between Kiev and Budapest comes on the heels of a bitter dispute over a decision by Ukraine's parliament – the Verkhovna Rada – to pass a legislative package on education that bars primary education to all students in any language but Ukrainian. The move has been widely condemned by the international community as needlessly provocative as it forces the historically bilingual population of 45 million people who use Russian and Ukrainian interchangeably as mother tongues to become monolingual. Furthermore, the large minorities of Hungarians, Jews, Poles, Tatars, Gypsies, Romanians, Caucasians, and Gagauz generally speak and receive some formal or informal education in their own national languages, all of which will be adversely affected by the new draconian language statute. Also: Lviv Oblast Unian reported that "A ban on the use of cultural products, namely movies, books, songs, etc., in the Russian language in the public has been introduced" in the Lviv Oblast in September 2018.[71] Critics[who?] called the law ill-defined, illegal, and unconstitutional, and a successful January 2019 court challenge by the Chuhuiv Human Rights Group was dismissed on technical grounds in May, and could lead to a complaint before the European Court of Human Rights.[72] They tried to ban the public usage of Russian in Ukraine. That's a little step towards fascism.
- jmeister 5y agoIronically this article itself is fake news: 1. It is just a proposal: “The proposed legislation, which is supported by Vyacheslav Volodin, the parliamentary speaker, a close ally of President Putin, could be discussed by parliament as early as this week, state television reported.” 2. Another wild proposal, to forcibly conscript protestors, was shot down by Kremlin: https://twitter.com/GazetaRu/status/1499402119836622858 https://twitter.com/GazetaRu/status/1499402119836622858 It’s disappointing to see not one comment here suggesting that someone read beyond the headline. Et tu, Hacker News?
- zuminator 5y agoHow is the article fake news when it agrees with (is literally the source for) your main point?
- jmeister 5y agoIt managed to mislead the purportedly wise readership of this forum. Fake news doesn’t mean literally everything in the article is fake. It’s a metaphor
- TAKEMYMONEY 5y ago"Fake news" isn't a metaphor, it's a thought-terminating cliché. It literally literally means the news is a sham, not genuine. To your credit "to" in the headline here could be considered misleading. It implies "[If the proposal by Volodin, a close ally of Putin, is successful] Russia to punish ‘fake news’".
- lolinder 5y ago"Have I ever lied to you?" Silverfish's brow furrowed. "Well," he said, "yesterday you said—" "I mean metaphorically," said Dibbler quickly. "Oh. Well. Metaphorically? I suppose not—" "There you are, then." — Terry Pratchett
- ukraineally 5y agoI was very surprised to see virtually all hacking groups declare war on russia over this war. So many APT groups are Russian but they do oppose the war. The expected cyber war is all Russia's to deal with. The actual war isn't going well at all. Their reg troops are driving by wrecked russian equipment destroying their morale. So they can't deal with reality, send everyone who dissents to prison.
- whoomp12342 5y agothis is the problem with the fake news narrative
- figaroniguzo 5y agoEurope just banned Russian TVs from broadcasting because they didn't agree with the content... https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/eu-bans-rt-sputnik-banned-over-ukraine-disinformation-2022-03-02/ https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/eu-bans-rt-sputnik-bann...
- vernie 5y agoWhat TVs are made in Russia?
- jagrsw 5y agoI used to have Viesna (spring) - https://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/ussr-tv-vesna-c-276-3d-model-1255285 https://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/ussr-tv-vesna-c-276-3d-... It even had an additional electronic component which made it accept PAL signal, in addition to its native SECAM. PS: Some say SECAM was technically superior to PAL, but dunno.
- vernie 5y agoI think SECAM and PAL were roughly equivalent and both had better spatial resolution than NTSC but the 25 Hz frame rate never sat well with me.
- rsynnott 5y agoSECAM had somewhat better colour accuracy, but was difficult and expensive to work with (at least until digital editing showed up, but it was a bit late by then...)
- IanDrake 5y ago
- sAbakumoff 5y agoThat's not even the worst part. Another proposition is to send anti-war protesters to war “so that they can see what's actually going on”.
- rillazawayyy 5y agoSo the idea is to arm the anti-war protestors, then put them near the officers who are running the war on the ground? Maybe I'm being cynical, but I think there may be some potential problems with that approach.
- sAbakumoff 5y ago>> Maybe I'm being cynical, but I think there may be some potential problems with that approach. This description matches everything that Putin and his lackeys have been doing since 22-02-2022
- conradfr 5y ago"We have always been at war with Westernworld."
- thejackgoode 5y agoMetastasis of the Cold War, this is what it is. Like the world wars are connected, this war is also connected to CW. USSR did not disintegrate enough, ideologically.
- pessimizer 5y agoWhat are the odds the same law will spring up in the US, but be good when we do it?
- ajross 5y agoAlmost certain that I read somewhere that Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press.
- kemitchell 5y agoThe constitution of the Russian Federation guarantees freedom of speech and prohibits censorship. I seem to recall the Soviet Union had a pretty spiffy constitution, too. The United States certainly did, during the Palmer Raids, during McCarthyism. Constitutions alone do nothing. If we're not on guard, collectively, we could easily end up without freedom of speech and press in practice.
- crocodiletears 5y agoProbably in the EU, but that stuff gets squirreled in through private institutions here. Information clearing-houses like Facebook, Twitter, Reddit, etc. will take it upon themselves after encouragement from the media and the government.
- crocodiletears 5y agoPunctuates my point: https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/3/22960223/reddit-ukraine-russia-ban-links-entire-site https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/3/22960223/reddit-ukraine-ru... https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/3/22959636/spotify-removes-rt-sputnik-russia-kremlin-ukraine-conflict https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/3/22959636/spotify-removes-r...
- arepublicadoceu 5y agoNot sure why, but I feel like there’s some difference between being blocked by these media outlets and being sent to prison for 15 years and/or experiencing a kafkaesque process where your whole life is in shambles.
- asdswe 5y agoPutin is no better than Hitler and nothing the Russian government says can be trusted. They only respect force, nothing else.
- tgv 5y agoI’m sorry, but that’s a bizarre remark. Hitler can be held accountable for millions of deaths, in all kinds of inhuman ways. Putin is nowhere near that and I cannot see that happen either.
- tremon 5y agoDidn't we only find out the truth about Hitler's millions after his death?
- asdswe 5y agoPutin is looking to expand his country's borders quite similarly to Hitler, regardless of economic or human costs. It's up to rest of the world to show him the only thing he respects, which is power.
- tgv 5y agoSo many rulers tried to extend their domain. Why not compare Putin to Nebuchadnezar or Queen Anne?
- MrRiddle 5y agoOr Czech looks like https://news.band/public-support-for-russia-govt-attracts-3-years-jail-term-in-czech-republic/amp/ https://news.band/public-support-for-russia-govt-attracts-3-...
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- guilhas 5y agoBoris Johnson to make protests that cause 'annoyance' illegal, with prison sentences of up to 10 years https://www.businessinsider.com/boris-johnson-outlaw-protests-that-are-noisy-or-cause-annoyance-2021-3 https://www.businessinsider.com/boris-johnson-outlaw-protest... UK law people making social media posts could face two years in prison over Fake News https://www.rt.com/uk/539103-trolls-prison-psychological-harm/ https://www.rt.com/uk/539103-trolls-prison-psychological-har...
- notshuttingdown 5y agoIf you have access to all other country's news sources, and they're all contradicting your govt... what are the chances your govt is right and the rest of the world is wrong?
- giuliomagnifico 5y agoFortunately the law has not been approved, but if it will be approved, this would make Russia even worse place.
- coolso 5y agoDidn’t Abe Lincoln pull this same stunt too?
- ilamont 5y agoRipping a page from Hong Kong's "national security" law under the PRC, which resulted in Apple Daily publisher Jimmy Lai being sentenced to prison (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-56770567 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-56770567). The law even goes after people not living in Hong Kong: The wording of the Hong Kong national security law asserts jurisdiction over people who are not residents of Hong Kong and have never even set foot there. This means anyone on Earth, regardless of nationality or location, can technically be deemed to have violated this law and face arrest and prosecution if they are in a Chinese jurisdiction, even for transit. https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2020/07/hong-kong-national-security-law-10-things-you-need-to-know/ https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2020/07/hong-kong-nat...
- kitd 5y agoRussia complaining about fake news is jaw-dropping in its irony. They're the ones who turned fake news into an art form. And as an authoritarian government, theyshould have no problem dealing with it.
- foxyv 5y agoI get the impression that Putin was on the edge of losing Russia before Ukraine. Ukraine may be a final ploy for him to stay in power. Wartime crack downs, crippling political rivals with loss of large foreign assets, insulating Russia from external media, cutting domestic media, mobilizing troops and reserves. All of this cements a shaky position which was being undermined by foreign and domestic political groups. We'll see how the gamble goes. We may see Russia become North Korea 2.0 with the Putin family as the new Tzars of Russia. Or maybe a second governmental collapse is imminent.
- chakhs 5y agoNot much different from banning all Russian media, now I can't check what the Russians say because I'm too dumb and prone to propaganda I guess. USA good, Russia bad that's all I need to know.
- dijonman2 5y agoThis is exactly what people wanted to happen to anyone who questioned covid rhetoric. We’re not free anymore. Haven’t been for a long time. Bring back the FCC fairness doctrine.