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It's interesting how the world rallied immediately to the aid of Ukraine in a big way, compared to the middle eastern countries that have been destroyed by the

It's interesting how the world rallied immediately to the aid of Ukraine in a big way, compared to the middle eastern countries that have been destroyed by the likes of the US and allies, or the South American countries that have been completely destabilized by the US government. Really makes you think...

Supermancho 5y ago
The difference really makes you think what? Ukraine is a (mostly christian) democratic country who's main exports are not drugs or oil. The leadership doesnt declare holy war on other countries. Also there's the focus on the history of the USSR and Ukraine in europe, alongside their efforts to join western alliances. Afganistan or Saudi Arabia or Iraq never tried to join the EU or NATO. Cultures that are alike tend to by sympathetic to each other. That's it. In regard to US vs Latin America - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_America%E2%80%93United_States_relations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_America%E2%80%93United_S... Commercial interest and local defense. When Putin fueled separatist armies prior to the invasion, this was equivalent to the banana wars in Latin America, fueled by the US. The world stage generally ignores these kinds of regional 3rd party conflicts.
- geraneum 5y ago
  Interesting you say that since US has played a big role in crushing democracies here and there and also in the Middle East which of course fueled the anti US rhetoric in those countries. For example, look at 1953 coup [1] in Iran backed by UK and US with the help of clergy! to topple a _democratically elected_ government! The mess that Iran is in right now is not unrelated to that incident. We shouldn't downplay the war in Ukraine just because US does what US does. Also what's happening there is not important just because "Ukraine is a (mostly christian) democratic country who's main exports are not drugs or oil." but because Ukrainians are fellow humans, like the rest of us, and are victim of an unfair confrontation against a bully few times bigger than them. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9ta... Edit: grammar
  - Supermancho 5y ago
    > Interesting you say that since US has played a big role in crushing democracies here and there There was no internet during these periods and the media was either complicit in omission or narrative (they were BAD democracies corrupted by the drug cartels!) so the outrage was limited. Again, this isn't some mystery to ponder. Tribalism is alive and well and the narratives do their job. > Also what's happening there is not important just because "Ukraine is a (mostly christian) democratic country who's main exports are not drugs or oil." I didn't say anything about importance. Please don't misquote me to push your agenda.
- tsol 5y ago
  >country who's main exports are not drugs or oil. Afghanistan supplies drugs(opium poppy) to pharmaceutical companies for turning into American painkillers. I don't know why it should matter if a countries main export is oil anyways? Also who exactly declared a holy war on other countries? That seems like a vaguely anti Islamic charge that doesn't really apply to most countries in the middle east. Perhaps Iran(long after western intervention I should add) and one or two others. >Ukraine is a (mostly christian) I think you said the quiet part out loud.
- mangodrunk 5y ago
  It sounds like you're rationalizing racism. What does "mostly Christian" and not exporting oil have to do with anything? >Cultures that are alike tend to by sympathetic to each other. That's it. So Saudi Arabia is like the US and that's why it is supported by them? It is abhorrent what Russia is doing in Ukraine. Thankfully the international community is reacting appropriately. It is also equally abhorrent what is going on in Yemen (which the US has a part in). Unfortunately, the international community is not reacting appropriately here. It was also abhorrent when the US invaded Iraq (on false pretenses).
megous 5y ago
This war can easily mean sudden influx of 13 milion new refugees in EU. (just a guess by taking the same percentage as with Syria, except most of those are not in EU by a long shot) Makes me think EU and allies want to stop this war as early as possible, for some reason, and all these reactions is how they think that will happen.

Supermancho 5y ago

The difference really makes you think what? Ukraine is a (mostly christian) democratic country who's main exports are not drugs or oil. The leadership doesnt declare holy war on other countries. Also there's the focus on the history of the USSR and Ukraine in europe, alongside their efforts to join western alliances. Afganistan or Saudi Arabia or Iraq never tried to join the EU or NATO. Cultures that are alike tend to by sympathetic to each other. That's it. In regard to US vs Latin America - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_America%E2%80%93United_States_relations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_America%E2%80%93United_S... Commercial interest and local defense. When Putin fueled separatist armies prior to the invasion, this was equivalent to the banana wars in Latin America, fueled by the US. The world stage generally ignores these kinds of regional 3rd party conflicts.

geraneum 5y ago
Interesting you say that since US has played a big role in crushing democracies here and there and also in the Middle East which of course fueled the anti US rhetoric in those countries. For example, look at 1953 coup [1] in Iran backed by UK and US with the help of clergy! to topple a _democratically elected_ government! The mess that Iran is in right now is not unrelated to that incident. We shouldn't downplay the war in Ukraine just because US does what US does. Also what's happening there is not important just because "Ukraine is a (mostly christian) democratic country who's main exports are not drugs or oil." but because Ukrainians are fellow humans, like the rest of us, and are victim of an unfair confrontation against a bully few times bigger than them. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9ta... Edit: grammar
- Supermancho 5y ago
  > Interesting you say that since US has played a big role in crushing democracies here and there There was no internet during these periods and the media was either complicit in omission or narrative (they were BAD democracies corrupted by the drug cartels!) so the outrage was limited. Again, this isn't some mystery to ponder. Tribalism is alive and well and the narratives do their job. > Also what's happening there is not important just because "Ukraine is a (mostly christian) democratic country who's main exports are not drugs or oil." I didn't say anything about importance. Please don't misquote me to push your agenda.
tsol 5y ago
>country who's main exports are not drugs or oil. Afghanistan supplies drugs(opium poppy) to pharmaceutical companies for turning into American painkillers. I don't know why it should matter if a countries main export is oil anyways? Also who exactly declared a holy war on other countries? That seems like a vaguely anti Islamic charge that doesn't really apply to most countries in the middle east. Perhaps Iran(long after western intervention I should add) and one or two others. >Ukraine is a (mostly christian) I think you said the quiet part out loud.
mangodrunk 5y ago
It sounds like you're rationalizing racism. What does "mostly Christian" and not exporting oil have to do with anything? >Cultures that are alike tend to by sympathetic to each other. That's it. So Saudi Arabia is like the US and that's why it is supported by them? It is abhorrent what Russia is doing in Ukraine. Thankfully the international community is reacting appropriately. It is also equally abhorrent what is going on in Yemen (which the US has a part in). Unfortunately, the international community is not reacting appropriately here. It was also abhorrent when the US invaded Iraq (on false pretenses).

megous 5y ago

This war can easily mean sudden influx of 13 milion new refugees in EU. (just a guess by taking the same percentage as with Syria, except most of those are not in EU by a long shot) Makes me think EU and allies want to stop this war as early as possible, for some reason, and all these reactions is how they think that will happen.