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As someone with chinese friends and family. It is a weird situation. Some are sad about the situation. Others are sickingly delighted. No amount of discussio
by thevagrant 5y ago
As someone with chinese friends and family. It is a weird situation.
Some are sad about the situation.
Others are sickingly delighted.
No amount of discussion will help.
The ones who are happy with China and positive toward the Russian action. They are also the first to complain if they perceive any slight or racism towards them. They do not seem to understand that their attitude is causing more skepticism and problems of trust in the western world. Any future disagreement with the west will be explained away as western aggression and that this was the US's plan all along.
- foverzar 5y agoWow, who could have thought that people from the other part of the world could have a different perspective!
- cutemonster 5y ago> The ones who are happy with China and positive toward the Russian action In which country are you and they?
- qkhhly 5y agoskepticism and problems of trust in the western world will come no matter what -- just because we are different and refuse to do what western world ask of us without considering our own interest. and frankly, we don't care about western skepticism or trust.
- thevagrant 5y agoIt works both ways. No one cares about someone being different. Chinese culture was heavily embraced. Most would prefer to collaborate for a better planet. People care when someone is a bad actor. Acting in self interest can only get you so far, especially at times like this.
- adhesive_wombat 5y agoThe other confounding factor to a harmonious discussion is that Western media (taken loosely) has burned a lot of credibility with regards to China. Nearly everything China does is couched in "but at what cost?" terms. This, quite naturally, leads to the belief that criticism of Russia is overblown, and is rather the West attempting to smear another country that doesn't play by the Western rules. "Don't tell a neighbor how to raise their kids", so it goes. Also the parallels between Ukraine and Korea are drawn: some Chinese people can see that Russia doesn't want NATO moving up to the border because they didn't want the US doing the same in Korea. Moreover, Western agitation to provoke the situation is blamed and Ukraine has been tricked by NATO into an alignment that unacceptably threatens Russia but without the commitment to actually defend it. Which, again, doesn't spring from nowhere.
- Etherlord87 5y agoI don't want to pretend or seem like an expert, but the west is doing a lot to help Ukraine... - a lot of equipment is sent to Ukraine: Bayraktar drones, MiGs fighters, javelins to just name the most expensive and effective. - CIA intel. - NATO training of Ukrainian soldiers. - Mercenary/individual forces moving to Ukraine to help. I think it explains the difference between the defense of Crimea and the rest of the Ukraine...
- thevagrant 5y agoIt's not like Chinese media is sparkling clean either. I read their news and it very often pushes 'West is bad' mantra. Do we really believe that? What kind of reason is behind that? Why stoke the fire? Especially when we know Chinese media is controlled. Western agitation to provoke the situation is a Chinese media talking point. It is hardly credible. Western leaders were meeting and calling Putin around the clock in the lead up to the invasion trying to negotiate to prevent his actions. What did China do? They ridiculed the US for 'provoking and causing trouble'. China denied an invasion was about to occur. You might argue that it is because the west isn't trusted. Why not?? China trusted the west to take investments and have help building up industry. That benefited both parties. If China didn't trust the US intelligence they should have acted in the right way. A simple example is: Xi demands explanation from Putin about build up of forces near Ukraine. Despite an invasion expecting not to occur, Xi speaks out against invasion. Xi could have looked good on the world stage by making the right statements to defuse. Instead, no let's ridicule US. In the West, China growth was seen as an opportunity and partnership by most up until a series of alarming events (very many, I don't want to write a novel) that occurred since Xi came to power. People didn't change opinion over night. China leadership slowly but surely undermined themselves.
- pinephoneguy 5y agoWestern media has burned a lot of credibility in the West as well.
- raxxorrax 5y ago> They are also the first to complain if they perceive any slight or racism towards them. Many know their beliefs are wrong and they use this to justify their animosity. There are hints of truth though. The west generally doesn't fight to ensure freedom, it fights for strategic interest. Any further romanticisation is inappropriate in my opinion. Not that other countries are better.
- thevagrant 5y agoMaybe. The other reason is resources are constrained. We can't fight on every front. People don't tend to like wars, so government has to be careful.