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If you don’t mind, let’s please refrain from name-calling, including and especially against nationalities and ethnicities.

by jker 5y ago

PhantomGremlin 5y ago
- sumedh 5y ago
  Do you also name call other Western nations because what you described applies to them as well.
  - djohnston 5y ago
    Right we aren't discussing that though are we? Were discussing the current unprovoked invasion by a bunch of Russian barbarians.
  - azth 5y ago
    Yep, word for word applies to the invasions by the US, UK, etc. and arguably those are even worse. Just a few weeks ago, Biden is stealing $7 billion from the Afghani people, which will cost millions of lives on top of the destruction they have caused over the past 30+ years in the region.
  - raxxorrax 5y ago
    I think old beliefs about strong language use are partially wrong. A certain understanding between members can make the most vulgar groups pretty friendly.
gunfighthacksaw 5y ago
Barbaric thugs and bandits all. Many such cases.
tomjen3 5y ago
Murdering human beings in an illegal war of aggression is pretty barbaric to me.
bamboozled 5y ago
They're Russian nationals acting like barbarians. I don't see the problem sorry.
- TapWaterBandit 5y ago
  So would you say it is just like how the jewish barbarians are taking land in the middle East, or the black barbarians are shooting and robbing each other for personal gain in cities in the USA?
  - Etherlord87 5y ago
    There's many differences between russian barbarians, and Israeli forces: - Israel has a rich history of Palestinian attacks with many Jewish *civilian* casualties, whereas the russian aggression is unprovoked. - Israeli forces are better prepared and better treated by its country than the russian cannon fodder with e.g. outdated food rations or poorly armored vehicles, though I don't know if that's what bamboozled meant as well. - I could be wrong, but while not being emotionally prejudiced towards/against Palestine, Israel, Russia and Ukraine prior to the conflicts, in a heuristic sense, just estimating the severity of breaking human rights, russian forces seem to have far worse standards than Israeli forces. Likewise with Ukraine vs Palestine. In case of Ukrainians we see refugees and children hiding in bunkers and being dragged out of them by russian forces. In case of Palestine... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_child_suicide_bombers_by_Palestinian_militant_groups https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_child_suicide_bombers_b... See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma Your comparison to black people is even less justified, to the point where I won't even comment on it.
    - TapWaterBandit 5y ago
      You are splitting hairs and focusing on the wrong thing. Even if everything you say is true, it is inherently wrong as well as unproductive to refer to ethnic/religious groups as "barbarians" based on the actions of some portion of that groups behaviour. It essentialises the group even though there are countless Russians who dont support this behaviour and therefore aren't "barbarians". Behaviour can certainly be barbaric and referred to as such (I would have had no problem if the original comment said "the invasion of the Ukraine by Russians is barbaric" as an example), but referring to entire nations/ethnic groups/religions as barbarians based on a portion of that group's behaviour is deeply dehumanising and one of the most toxic ways to engage in these sorts of discussions with very negative outcomes for both sides by denying other people their humanity. Can you name a single time in history ever where framing conflict in such a manner has led to anything positive? Because I certainly can't and there are PLENTY of examples of it being done. However much some people may relish the opportunity to finally have an "enemy" they can dehumanise and hate, it is always ethically wrong as well as being counter-productive to do so no matter how good it might feel to some people.
michaelmrose 5y ago
To be fair just because Russian is a nationality AND a ethnicity doesn't mean that every critical statement about the one is a racial slur. There are people of Russian ethnicity all over the world. I hope most assign blame to the Russian nation and few are foolish enough to think that their own countrymen are to blame based on where their grandfathers lived.

If you don’t mind, let’s please refrain from name-calling, including and especially against nationalities and ethnicities.

by jker 5y ago

If you don’t mind, let’s please refrain from name-calling, including and especially against nationalities and ethnicities.

PhantomGremlin 5y ago

sumedh 5y ago
Do you also name call other Western nations because what you described applies to them as well.
- djohnston 5y ago
  Right we aren't discussing that though are we? Were discussing the current unprovoked invasion by a bunch of Russian barbarians.
- azth 5y ago
  Yep, word for word applies to the invasions by the US, UK, etc. and arguably those are even worse. Just a few weeks ago, Biden is stealing $7 billion from the Afghani people, which will cost millions of lives on top of the destruction they have caused over the past 30+ years in the region.
- raxxorrax 5y ago
  I think old beliefs about strong language use are partially wrong. A certain understanding between members can make the most vulgar groups pretty friendly.

gunfighthacksaw 5y ago

Barbaric thugs and bandits all. Many such cases.

tomjen3 5y ago

Murdering human beings in an illegal war of aggression is pretty barbaric to me.

bamboozled 5y ago

They're Russian nationals acting like barbarians. I don't see the problem sorry.

TapWaterBandit 5y ago
So would you say it is just like how the jewish barbarians are taking land in the middle East, or the black barbarians are shooting and robbing each other for personal gain in cities in the USA?
- Etherlord87 5y ago
  There's many differences between russian barbarians, and Israeli forces: - Israel has a rich history of Palestinian attacks with many Jewish *civilian* casualties, whereas the russian aggression is unprovoked. - Israeli forces are better prepared and better treated by its country than the russian cannon fodder with e.g. outdated food rations or poorly armored vehicles, though I don't know if that's what bamboozled meant as well. - I could be wrong, but while not being emotionally prejudiced towards/against Palestine, Israel, Russia and Ukraine prior to the conflicts, in a heuristic sense, just estimating the severity of breaking human rights, russian forces seem to have far worse standards than Israeli forces. Likewise with Ukraine vs Palestine. In case of Ukrainians we see refugees and children hiding in bunkers and being dragged out of them by russian forces. In case of Palestine... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_child_suicide_bombers_by_Palestinian_militant_groups https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_child_suicide_bombers_b... See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma Your comparison to black people is even less justified, to the point where I won't even comment on it.
  - TapWaterBandit 5y ago
    You are splitting hairs and focusing on the wrong thing. Even if everything you say is true, it is inherently wrong as well as unproductive to refer to ethnic/religious groups as "barbarians" based on the actions of some portion of that groups behaviour. It essentialises the group even though there are countless Russians who dont support this behaviour and therefore aren't "barbarians". Behaviour can certainly be barbaric and referred to as such (I would have had no problem if the original comment said "the invasion of the Ukraine by Russians is barbaric" as an example), but referring to entire nations/ethnic groups/religions as barbarians based on a portion of that group's behaviour is deeply dehumanising and one of the most toxic ways to engage in these sorts of discussions with very negative outcomes for both sides by denying other people their humanity. Can you name a single time in history ever where framing conflict in such a manner has led to anything positive? Because I certainly can't and there are PLENTY of examples of it being done. However much some people may relish the opportunity to finally have an "enemy" they can dehumanise and hate, it is always ethically wrong as well as being counter-productive to do so no matter how good it might feel to some people.

michaelmrose 5y ago

To be fair just because Russian is a nationality AND a ethnicity doesn't mean that every critical statement about the one is a racial slur. There are people of Russian ethnicity all over the world. I hope most assign blame to the Russian nation and few are foolish enough to think that their own countrymen are to blame based on where their grandfathers lived.