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If there’s a lot of snow and temps at the ground are above zero, it’s a worse situation for the Russian barbarians. It will become even more wet and muddy.

brailsafe 5y ago
I think people who don't get snow can't really picture how bad it gets. It does depend on the terrain, but coming from central Canada, a bit of snow on a thawed ground is ridiculous. Wet earth is bad enough. Totally frozen is ideal if you're equipped for snow/ice travel, but variable conditions are pretty untenable. That said, I've never been driving around in military equipment, so I figure that's gotta help a bit.
- greyhair 5y ago
  Dairy farmhand outside Buffalo NY in the early 1970s. Snow over the top of recently thawed ground was the worst. Particularly if there was still a frozen layer three or four inches down. Rendered tractors unusable.
jker 5y ago
If you don’t mind, let’s please refrain from name-calling, including and especially against nationalities and ethnicities.
- PhantomGremlin 5y ago
  - sumedh 5y ago
    Do you also name call other Western nations because what you described applies to them as well.
    - djohnston 5y ago
      Right we aren't discussing that though are we? Were discussing the current unprovoked invasion by a bunch of Russian barbarians.
    - azth 5y ago
      Yep, word for word applies to the invasions by the US, UK, etc. and arguably those are even worse. Just a few weeks ago, Biden is stealing $7 billion from the Afghani people, which will cost millions of lives on top of the destruction they have caused over the past 30+ years in the region.
    - raxxorrax 5y ago
      I think old beliefs about strong language use are partially wrong. A certain understanding between members can make the most vulgar groups pretty friendly.
- gunfighthacksaw 5y ago
  Barbaric thugs and bandits all. Many such cases.
- tomjen3 5y ago
  Murdering human beings in an illegal war of aggression is pretty barbaric to me.
- bamboozled 5y ago
  They're Russian nationals acting like barbarians. I don't see the problem sorry.
  - TapWaterBandit 5y ago
    So would you say it is just like how the jewish barbarians are taking land in the middle East, or the black barbarians are shooting and robbing each other for personal gain in cities in the USA?
    - Etherlord87 5y ago
      There's many differences between russian barbarians, and Israeli forces: - Israel has a rich history of Palestinian attacks with many Jewish *civilian* casualties, whereas the russian aggression is unprovoked. - Israeli forces are better prepared and better treated by its country than the russian cannon fodder with e.g. outdated food rations or poorly armored vehicles, though I don't know if that's what bamboozled meant as well. - I could be wrong, but while not being emotionally prejudiced towards/against Palestine, Israel, Russia and Ukraine prior to the conflicts, in a heuristic sense, just estimating the severity of breaking human rights, russian forces seem to have far worse standards than Israeli forces. Likewise with Ukraine vs Palestine. In case of Ukrainians we see refugees and children hiding in bunkers and being dragged out of them by russian forces. In case of Palestine... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_child_suicide_bombers_by_Palestinian_militant_groups https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_child_suicide_bombers_b... See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma Your comparison to black people is even less justified, to the point where I won't even comment on it.
      - TapWaterBandit 5y ago
        You are splitting hairs and focusing on the wrong thing. Even if everything you say is true, it is inherently wrong as well as unproductive to refer to ethnic/religious groups as "barbarians" based on the actions of some portion of that groups behaviour. It essentialises the group even though there are countless Russians who dont support this behaviour and therefore aren't "barbarians". Behaviour can certainly be barbaric and referred to as such (I would have had no problem if the original comment said "the invasion of the Ukraine by Russians is barbaric" as an example), but referring to entire nations/ethnic groups/religions as barbarians based on a portion of that group's behaviour is deeply dehumanising and one of the most toxic ways to engage in these sorts of discussions with very negative outcomes for both sides by denying other people their humanity. Can you name a single time in history ever where framing conflict in such a manner has led to anything positive? Because I certainly can't and there are PLENTY of examples of it being done. However much some people may relish the opportunity to finally have an "enemy" they can dehumanise and hate, it is always ethically wrong as well as being counter-productive to do so no matter how good it might feel to some people.
- michaelmrose 5y ago
  To be fair just because Russian is a nationality AND a ethnicity doesn't mean that every critical statement about the one is a racial slur. There are people of Russian ethnicity all over the world. I hope most assign blame to the Russian nation and few are foolish enough to think that their own countrymen are to blame based on where their grandfathers lived.
jansen555 5y ago
You got confused with Hitler's troop. Russians are well verse in this kind of weather. The current troops incursion are mostly conscript based. Subsequent one would be the crack team. Hitler sent his crack troop in first and got wipe out. If you want to understand how this war will play out, read up Hitler's Eastern Front Battles against the improvement in Grozy and recently Russians in Syria. Ratnik troops havnt been deployed yet at least from what I am allow to know from western media.
- singularity2001 5y ago
  The physics of mud apply to everyone
- throwoutway 5y ago
  > The current troops incursion are mostly conscript based Not sure if it is disinformation, but the Russians announced that there are no conscripts in this war. Time will tell, but maybe the Western media/intel got it wrong?
  - irrational 5y ago
    Then who are the soldiers surrendering who claim to be french teachers, janitors, etc. who were forced into going?
    - int_19h 5y ago
      Contract soldiers who are trying to pretend that they aren't, to get a better deal as a POW?
  - selcuka 5y ago
    There is a lot of disinformation, but there is also this [1]: > Russian law prohibits conscripts from being sent to the front unless they choose to sign a contract and become career soldiers. Currently, compulsory service in the Russian army is one year, including four months of basic training. In reality, says Olga Larkina, chair of the Committee of Soldiers’ Mothers, soldiers are either forced to sign a contract against their will, or their military IDs are confiscated, and they are signed to a contract without their knowledge. In recent days, her organization has received dozens of pleas for assistance about this from parents of draftees. [1] https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/europe/.premium.HIGHLIGHT-why-is-he-there-russian-mothers-say-soldiers-tricked-into-going-to-ukraine-1.10633865 https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/europe/.premium.HIGHLIGHT...

brailsafe 5y ago

I think people who don't get snow can't really picture how bad it gets. It does depend on the terrain, but coming from central Canada, a bit of snow on a thawed ground is ridiculous. Wet earth is bad enough. Totally frozen is ideal if you're equipped for snow/ice travel, but variable conditions are pretty untenable. That said, I've never been driving around in military equipment, so I figure that's gotta help a bit.

greyhair 5y ago
Dairy farmhand outside Buffalo NY in the early 1970s. Snow over the top of recently thawed ground was the worst. Particularly if there was still a frozen layer three or four inches down. Rendered tractors unusable.

jker 5y ago

If you don’t mind, let’s please refrain from name-calling, including and especially against nationalities and ethnicities.

PhantomGremlin 5y ago
- sumedh 5y ago
  Do you also name call other Western nations because what you described applies to them as well.
  - djohnston 5y ago
    Right we aren't discussing that though are we? Were discussing the current unprovoked invasion by a bunch of Russian barbarians.
  - azth 5y ago
    Yep, word for word applies to the invasions by the US, UK, etc. and arguably those are even worse. Just a few weeks ago, Biden is stealing $7 billion from the Afghani people, which will cost millions of lives on top of the destruction they have caused over the past 30+ years in the region.
  - raxxorrax 5y ago
    I think old beliefs about strong language use are partially wrong. A certain understanding between members can make the most vulgar groups pretty friendly.
gunfighthacksaw 5y ago
Barbaric thugs and bandits all. Many such cases.
tomjen3 5y ago
Murdering human beings in an illegal war of aggression is pretty barbaric to me.
bamboozled 5y ago
They're Russian nationals acting like barbarians. I don't see the problem sorry.
- TapWaterBandit 5y ago
  So would you say it is just like how the jewish barbarians are taking land in the middle East, or the black barbarians are shooting and robbing each other for personal gain in cities in the USA?
  - Etherlord87 5y ago
    There's many differences between russian barbarians, and Israeli forces: - Israel has a rich history of Palestinian attacks with many Jewish *civilian* casualties, whereas the russian aggression is unprovoked. - Israeli forces are better prepared and better treated by its country than the russian cannon fodder with e.g. outdated food rations or poorly armored vehicles, though I don't know if that's what bamboozled meant as well. - I could be wrong, but while not being emotionally prejudiced towards/against Palestine, Israel, Russia and Ukraine prior to the conflicts, in a heuristic sense, just estimating the severity of breaking human rights, russian forces seem to have far worse standards than Israeli forces. Likewise with Ukraine vs Palestine. In case of Ukrainians we see refugees and children hiding in bunkers and being dragged out of them by russian forces. In case of Palestine... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_child_suicide_bombers_by_Palestinian_militant_groups https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_child_suicide_bombers_b... See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma Your comparison to black people is even less justified, to the point where I won't even comment on it.
    - TapWaterBandit 5y ago
      You are splitting hairs and focusing on the wrong thing. Even if everything you say is true, it is inherently wrong as well as unproductive to refer to ethnic/religious groups as "barbarians" based on the actions of some portion of that groups behaviour. It essentialises the group even though there are countless Russians who dont support this behaviour and therefore aren't "barbarians". Behaviour can certainly be barbaric and referred to as such (I would have had no problem if the original comment said "the invasion of the Ukraine by Russians is barbaric" as an example), but referring to entire nations/ethnic groups/religions as barbarians based on a portion of that group's behaviour is deeply dehumanising and one of the most toxic ways to engage in these sorts of discussions with very negative outcomes for both sides by denying other people their humanity. Can you name a single time in history ever where framing conflict in such a manner has led to anything positive? Because I certainly can't and there are PLENTY of examples of it being done. However much some people may relish the opportunity to finally have an "enemy" they can dehumanise and hate, it is always ethically wrong as well as being counter-productive to do so no matter how good it might feel to some people.
michaelmrose 5y ago
To be fair just because Russian is a nationality AND a ethnicity doesn't mean that every critical statement about the one is a racial slur. There are people of Russian ethnicity all over the world. I hope most assign blame to the Russian nation and few are foolish enough to think that their own countrymen are to blame based on where their grandfathers lived.

jansen555 5y ago

You got confused with Hitler's troop. Russians are well verse in this kind of weather. The current troops incursion are mostly conscript based. Subsequent one would be the crack team. Hitler sent his crack troop in first and got wipe out. If you want to understand how this war will play out, read up Hitler's Eastern Front Battles against the improvement in Grozy and recently Russians in Syria. Ratnik troops havnt been deployed yet at least from what I am allow to know from western media.

singularity2001 5y ago
The physics of mud apply to everyone
throwoutway 5y ago
> The current troops incursion are mostly conscript based Not sure if it is disinformation, but the Russians announced that there are no conscripts in this war. Time will tell, but maybe the Western media/intel got it wrong?
- irrational 5y ago
  Then who are the soldiers surrendering who claim to be french teachers, janitors, etc. who were forced into going?
  - int_19h 5y ago
    Contract soldiers who are trying to pretend that they aren't, to get a better deal as a POW?
- selcuka 5y ago
  There is a lot of disinformation, but there is also this [1]: > Russian law prohibits conscripts from being sent to the front unless they choose to sign a contract and become career soldiers. Currently, compulsory service in the Russian army is one year, including four months of basic training. In reality, says Olga Larkina, chair of the Committee of Soldiers’ Mothers, soldiers are either forced to sign a contract against their will, or their military IDs are confiscated, and they are signed to a contract without their knowledge. In recent days, her organization has received dozens of pleas for assistance about this from parents of draftees. [1] https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/europe/.premium.HIGHLIGHT-why-is-he-there-russian-mothers-say-soldiers-tricked-into-going-to-ukraine-1.10633865 https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/europe/.premium.HIGHLIGHT...