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Ukraine also has javelins and other shoulder fired anti tank weapons

withinboredom 5y ago
Anything you hit with those is pure luck. Source: experience. Edit: I was thinking of what we had in the Army, which was definitely not guided.
- chrisseaton 5y ago
  > Anything you hit with those is pure luck. I've never seen a Javelin miss in my entire life. They've got like 5,000 recorded successful engagements. > Source: experience. Are you firing them before they've got a chance to get the sensor down to temperature?
- Tuna-Fish 5y ago
  Er, no. Javelin is guided. They are videos of them doing some really amazing long-range shots.
  - tome 5y ago
    For example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sah9nbGQLFY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sah9nbGQLFY
    - tablespoon 5y ago
      > For example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sah9nbGQLFY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sah9nbGQLFY I guess you posted that for the compiled footage, but Lord do I hate voice synthesized narration. From my armchair, it seems totally practical to hit-and-run attack the convoy on foot using fire-and-forget Javelins from 1.5-2 miles away. If the terrain is impassible to vehicles, the attacker can just shoot from the top of a hill and run away down the other side (maybe without even being seen).
      - tome 5y ago
        That's interesting. I didn't even notice that! I suppose I found the footage sufficiently compelling to distract me.
        cutemonster 5y ago
        Might the javelin fail to hit the tank, by accidentally homing in on one of the trucks next to it instead? From what I've read, they have too few javelins already
        Tuna-Fish 5y ago
        You lock the missile on a target while aiming it. The seeker will remain locked to exactly that target until it hits. Only way it's hitting a neighbouring truck instead is if that's what you aimed at when you pressed fire.
        cutemonster 5y ago
        Ok. I suppose this works also if the tank moves -- but if it gets out of sight, let's say a truck drives in front of the tank, then might the javelin miss? Or is the javelin so high up in the air, so it could typically see the tank anyway?
        Tuna-Fish 5y ago
        Yes, in principle, obstructions could make it miss. But also yes, Javelins fly lofted arc trajectories, unless you take the shot a half a second before the target is obstructed, the missile will almost certainly be able to maintain lock even if something obstructs your view of the target.
      - ModernMech 5y ago
        Also, it strikes me that there are only 1000 tanks in the force. It seems like such a small number contrasted against 100,000 soldiers. That seems like a tractable number of tanks to destroy.
- na85 5y ago
  Saint Javelin never misses.
- newuser94303 5y ago
  In close quarters and urban environments, I would think that it would be hard to miss
- rad_gruchalski 5y ago
  I too sucked at CoD.
- littlestymaar 5y ago
  We aren't talking about RPG-7 here, but ATGM (which, as the name imply, are guided missiles).

Anything you hit with those is pure luck. Source: experience. Edit: I was thinking of what we had in the Army, which was definitely not guided.

chrisseaton 5y ago
> Anything you hit with those is pure luck. I've never seen a Javelin miss in my entire life. They've got like 5,000 recorded successful engagements. > Source: experience. Are you firing them before they've got a chance to get the sensor down to temperature?
Tuna-Fish 5y ago
Er, no. Javelin is guided. They are videos of them doing some really amazing long-range shots.
- tome 5y ago
  For example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sah9nbGQLFY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sah9nbGQLFY
  - tablespoon 5y ago
    > For example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sah9nbGQLFY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sah9nbGQLFY I guess you posted that for the compiled footage, but Lord do I hate voice synthesized narration. From my armchair, it seems totally practical to hit-and-run attack the convoy on foot using fire-and-forget Javelins from 1.5-2 miles away. If the terrain is impassible to vehicles, the attacker can just shoot from the top of a hill and run away down the other side (maybe without even being seen).
    - tome 5y ago
      That's interesting. I didn't even notice that! I suppose I found the footage sufficiently compelling to distract me.
      - cutemonster 5y ago
        Might the javelin fail to hit the tank, by accidentally homing in on one of the trucks next to it instead? From what I've read, they have too few javelins already
        Tuna-Fish 5y ago
        You lock the missile on a target while aiming it. The seeker will remain locked to exactly that target until it hits. Only way it's hitting a neighbouring truck instead is if that's what you aimed at when you pressed fire.
        cutemonster 5y ago
        Ok. I suppose this works also if the tank moves -- but if it gets out of sight, let's say a truck drives in front of the tank, then might the javelin miss? Or is the javelin so high up in the air, so it could typically see the tank anyway?
        Tuna-Fish 5y ago
        Yes, in principle, obstructions could make it miss. But also yes, Javelins fly lofted arc trajectories, unless you take the shot a half a second before the target is obstructed, the missile will almost certainly be able to maintain lock even if something obstructs your view of the target.
    - ModernMech 5y ago
      Also, it strikes me that there are only 1000 tanks in the force. It seems like such a small number contrasted against 100,000 soldiers. That seems like a tractable number of tanks to destroy.
na85 5y ago
Saint Javelin never misses.
newuser94303 5y ago
In close quarters and urban environments, I would think that it would be hard to miss
rad_gruchalski 5y ago
I too sucked at CoD.
littlestymaar 5y ago
We aren't talking about RPG-7 here, but ATGM (which, as the name imply, are guided missiles).