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MIG-29s which they are already flying, not B-52s which are useless to them. The deal fell apart, however. https://newlinesmag.com/reportage/is-poland-sending-

• 988747 5y ago
  This is a kind of Catch 22 situation with how to deliver those MIG-29s: If a Polish pilot flies it to Ukraine, Russia will consider that an act of war, and possibly start bombarding Poland. If Ukrainian pilot comes to Poland and takes off from a Polish airport then again: that is an act of war. The only possibility to deliver them without joining the war against Russia seems to be to disassemble those MIGs and send them by train/truck.
  • mrlonglong 5y ago
    If we can supply by road and trains without being drawn into a wider conflict, then it should be possible to send by air.
  • gpm 5y ago
    Ukraine just yesterday flew a MIG-29 back from Romania, unarmed and escorted to the border by Romania jets/from the border by armed Ukranian jets. No-one seems concerned that that's an act of war.
    • 988747 5y ago
      No one seems concerned, except the NATO Secretary General who rushed to Poland specifically to stop Polish President, Andrzej Duda from lending Polish jet fighters: https://news.yahoo.com/no-eu-countries-aren-t-233404478.html https://news.yahoo.com/no-eu-countries-aren-t-233404478.html Also, that one jet that flew from Romania was flying BACK, because it already belonged to Ukraine, just had an emergency landing in Romania for some unknown reason: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/44514/su-27-returning-from-romania-will-likely-be-last-fighter-ukraine-will-get-for-some-time https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/44514/su-27-returning-...
      • gpm 5y ago
        The argument that you are making is that "Allowing to use the military infrastructure, such as an airport is an act of war". How in the world is letting a Ukranian jet land and take off at an airport making less use of that airport, than giving Ukraine a jet and only letting it take off from the airport?
        • 988747 5y ago
          Well, we don't know the whole story, but the fact that it was Ukrainian jet, not a gift, could matter a lot. Those things aren't strict rules, it is all based on perception by both sides. Sending 70 fighters, as EU planned, or allowing them to operate freely from Polish airports would anger Russia much more. Which apparently isn't something NATO is willing to do right now. EDIT: the fact that the jet was Ukrainian gives Romania plausible deniability - they can always say that the pilot wanted to fight, and took the jet against their will :)
      • chasd00 5y ago
        this is the shit that will kill all of us. I feel like avoiding a larger conflict overflowing more borders is going to require perfect decision making. What you linked to is not perfect decision making.
  • older 5y ago
    All EU countries started supplying arms to Ukraine. If it is a plane or anti-tank missile makes no difference.
    • 988747 5y ago
      Sending supplies is just business, no different from selling food. Allowing to use the military infrastructure, such as an airport is an act of war. It might seem weird to you, but that's how Russia would paint it.
      • older 5y ago
        Russia does not need to paint anything. When they need any excuse they just fabricate some more lies. As we've seen many times already.
  • chrononaut 5y ago
    > The only possibility to deliver them without joining the war against Russia seems to be to disassemble those MIGs and send them by train/truck. Just have to tow them with horses and tractors. ;) https://www.mainememory.net/artifact/103726 https://www.mainememory.net/artifact/103726