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yeah, it’s full throttle on domestic propaganda. it looks like NATO is eager to go to war with Russia. NATO could have avoided this war easily by giving some sy

yeah, it’s full throttle on domestic propaganda. it looks like NATO is eager to go to war with Russia. NATO could have avoided this war easily by giving some symbolic win to Russia, placing some sanctions and moving on. but they don’t budge which usually means real war is coming. EDIT: what I meant was NATO prob had a way to prevent the Ukraine war but chose not to: allow Russia to veto NATO membership as they demanded but at the same time impose the same drastic sanctions on Russia. this just avoids the war in Ukraine, leaving the rest the same. the sanctions would aim to push Russia to drop its veto and other demands.

hellotomyrars 5y ago
So Ukraine should just slowly give more and more of its territory away to Russia for free until it stops existing? The rest of the world should continue to ignore Russian aggression on foreign soil? NATO isn’t at war but this is an absurd way to look at things and I can’t imagine a good faith argument for what is literally a policy of appeasement, and that didn’t work out last time either.
- jesusofnazarath 5y ago
readthenotes1 5y ago
Easily avoided the reconstitution of Mother Russia? How? By killing Putin? Not so easy, I think.
notapenny 5y ago
If NATO wanted to go to war, they'd have supported the Ukraine directly from day one and the world would be a different place now. To be honest, I also thought this would end with the two Eastern regions falling under Russian government and that'd be the end of it. Russia did already annex Crimea in 2014 though, and now they're basically trying to disarm their neighbour and make sure it isn't attractive enough to join NATO/EU. Sounds easy to give Russia a symbolic win, but where does that stop? Is all Russia needs to do fight a war, take a province and wait out some sanctions? At what point do you realise they're not going to settle for a few pieces of the pie?

hellotomyrars 5y ago

So Ukraine should just slowly give more and more of its territory away to Russia for free until it stops existing? The rest of the world should continue to ignore Russian aggression on foreign soil? NATO isn’t at war but this is an absurd way to look at things and I can’t imagine a good faith argument for what is literally a policy of appeasement, and that didn’t work out last time either.

jesusofnazarath 5y ago

readthenotes1 5y ago

Easily avoided the reconstitution of Mother Russia? How? By killing Putin? Not so easy, I think.

notapenny 5y ago

If NATO wanted to go to war, they'd have supported the Ukraine directly from day one and the world would be a different place now. To be honest, I also thought this would end with the two Eastern regions falling under Russian government and that'd be the end of it. Russia did already annex Crimea in 2014 though, and now they're basically trying to disarm their neighbour and make sure it isn't attractive enough to join NATO/EU. Sounds easy to give Russia a symbolic win, but where does that stop? Is all Russia needs to do fight a war, take a province and wait out some sanctions? At what point do you realise they're not going to settle for a few pieces of the pie?