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In a well known big tech company (FAANG), I have seen many many examples of a whole layer of management from the same caste. So like under one director, every s
by fdgsdfogijq 5y ago
In a well known big tech company (FAANG), I have seen many many examples of a whole layer of management from the same caste. So like under one director, every senior manager will have been from the same part of India. Sometimes this will extend to another layer of managers below them. Behind the scenes, there is a strong communication network that is often not caught or shown in org charts. This will include high ranking engineers and managers from sister organizations.
It usually doesnt extend beyond that, since HR will be all over it. Often they will even go out of their way not to hire Indians as their directs, so as to deny any discrimination based hiring. But its rampant.
- TedDoesntTalk 5y agoI saw the same at a prominent financial services firm. 50 - 60 Indians in the same dept from the same region. A big number. I even asked a senior manager if I needed to be Indian to excel at the company. He said the very fact I asked that question is a problem, whether or not it is true.
- civilized 5y agoWas the problem your asking the question, or was the problem the apparent pattern of rampant casteism?
- TedDoesntTalk 5y agoI am not Indian. Hope that helps explain.
- novok 5y agoWas he an Indian sr manager too?
- TedDoesntTalk 5y agoHe was also not Indian but many of the senior managers were
- Lascaille 5y agoIt doesn't. His answer could mean two things, and which one it is depends more on his race than yours.
- TedDoesntTalk 5y agoHe was also not Indian but many of the senior managers were.
- colechristensen 5y agoI heard a very similar story about a department in a higher education institution.
- elevenoh 5y agoPerhaps the manager was critiquing your absolutist use of the word 'need' here. ;)
- mathattack 5y agoThis is similar to having the first 30 engineers all come from the same school. Helps with speed in the short term but sub-optimal in the long term. This is why forms like Google centralize hiring.
- savanpatel 5y ago
- Bhilai 5y agoLet me guess, its Amazon?
- safog 5y agoThere's a huge language / culture divide in India and yes managers of a certain culture can hire reports of their culture to be their yes-men but it's not exactly based on caste. It's effectively a French guy hiring another french guy or a German guy stacking their team with other Germans. It's a bit more complicated than that because if you look at things like power distance index (PDI), India measures way higher in the chart than any western country (i.e., culturally Indians are more accepting of hierarchy than their western counterparts, so an Indian subordinate is more deferential to their boss than an American one for example)
- fdgsdfogijq 5y agoLogically this makes sense. In reality, its not what I have seen in my career. I cant recall ever discovering that meetings about high level objectives were taking place where everyone but one group was excluded, where that group was german, italian, french or any group other than Indian. I've just seen it too many times at too many companies.
- pansinghkoder 5y agoOr almost like a white man hiring another white man?
- s17n 5y agoWhite men don't do this anymore.
- dsl 5y agoThis in itself is an incredibly racist statement. It is like saying "an asian hiring another asian" while completely ignoring any sub-groups. "White men" are more diverse than you think and have only in modern times put things like hibernophobia behind us.
- Shindi 5y agoAlthough I agree with your comment that you need to not ignore the nuance behind subgroups, I disagree with you calling your parent comment racist. These are hard questions and the nuance is not obvious to everyone. For example some people think my group (Arabs) all share common culture even though this is not true. I think to be able to genuinely change things, we have to be careful about calling other racist. I will be the first to admit I am an ignorant. I think we're all ignorant about something.
- oceanghost 5y agoI think it extends beyond Indian folks. I once worked at a company where, Manufacturing engineers were overwhelmingly Vietnamese. Safety staff was Chinese, Engineering was mostly white, and the machine shop was entirely Hispanic. In each case the manager of the department was of the aforementioned race. There was also a son of a bitch who was an aggressive baptist. He though I was a baptist because I had dated a baptist once, and knew some of the lingo. I really liked him until I saw him treat a Chinese person like crap for no reason. He treated anyone who wasn't a Christian like garbage.v
- fdgsdfogijq 5y agoIt really doesnt to the same degree. People claiming otherwise are trying to hide a very real problem
- oceanghost 5y agoThank you for your useless comment. Nobody is trying to "hide a very real problem."
- ToxicMegacolon 5y ago> So like under one director, every senior manager will have been from the same part of India. Just because people are from the same part of India doesn't mean they have the same caste.
- mohanmcgeek 5y agoAnd people who emigrated 20-30 years ago would all be from the same part of India for Socio-economic reasons of that time.
- ngc248 5y ago>>> from the same part of India being from the same part of India does not mean they will be of the same caste.