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Writing code for Blender != Developing a high performance core that is going to be fabricated on TSMC's leading edge process. In the first case anyone with the

Writing code for Blender != Developing a high performance core that is going to be fabricated on TSMC's leading edge process. In the first case anyone with the right skills can do it. In the second you need access to lots of specialist tools / proprietary industry knowledge. If RISC-V 'wins' in application processors it will be because an Intel or a Qualcomm invests (probably) hundreds of millions in building a team that works on a multi year project. It definitely won't be bored high schoolers.

thetallstick 5y ago
Shockingly this is not strictly the case anymore and it's become less true everyday. https://info.efabless.com/press-release-efabless-launches-chipignite-with-skywater-to-bring-chip-creation-to-the-masses/ https://info.efabless.com/press-release-efabless-launches-ch...
- klelatti 5y ago
  130nm - that was leading edge 20 years ago.
  - imtringued 5y ago
    That means we are only 20 years away from running everything on opensource hardware.
Lramseyer 5y ago
Who says you have to fabricate a RISC-V processor on leading edge TSMC nodes? What about FPGAs? What about older nodes? The whole point of my argument is that when you make the proprietary "industry" knowledge more generally available, more people can contribute to the ecosystem as it removes barriers to entry. > In the first case anyone with the right skills can do it. In the second you need access to lots of specialist tools / proprietary industry knowledge. In the first case, it used to require specialist tools like the Autodesk suite, and people had to have access to that software to develop the right skills and acquire the industry knowledge. I don't think RISC-V "winning" is the right way of measuring success. Whether or not it becomes the dominant ISA for everything is irrelevant. It serves an important role in our market and it doesn't need the guys at Qualcomm and Intel to use it to make it successful. Either way Intel is investing big money into RISC-V: https://www.zdnet.com/article/intel-invests-in-open-source-risc-v-processors-with-a-billion-dollars-in-new-chip-foundries/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/intel-invests-in-open-source-r... Also, careful what you say about high schoolers: https://riscv.org/blog/2020/11/13-year-old-nicholas-sharkey-creates-a-risc-v-core/ https://riscv.org/blog/2020/11/13-year-old-nicholas-sharkey-...
- klelatti 5y ago
  Fair enough and I don’t disagree at all but I do think it’s a bit different to software development on that there is probably a limit to how far you can go without one firm spending serious money. As you say it may be Intel - which doesn’t really give me a warm glow.

thetallstick 5y ago

Shockingly this is not strictly the case anymore and it's become less true everyday. https://info.efabless.com/press-release-efabless-launches-chipignite-with-skywater-to-bring-chip-creation-to-the-masses/ https://info.efabless.com/press-release-efabless-launches-ch...

klelatti 5y ago
130nm - that was leading edge 20 years ago.
- imtringued 5y ago
  That means we are only 20 years away from running everything on opensource hardware.

Lramseyer 5y ago

Who says you have to fabricate a RISC-V processor on leading edge TSMC nodes? What about FPGAs? What about older nodes? The whole point of my argument is that when you make the proprietary "industry" knowledge more generally available, more people can contribute to the ecosystem as it removes barriers to entry. > In the first case anyone with the right skills can do it. In the second you need access to lots of specialist tools / proprietary industry knowledge. In the first case, it used to require specialist tools like the Autodesk suite, and people had to have access to that software to develop the right skills and acquire the industry knowledge. I don't think RISC-V "winning" is the right way of measuring success. Whether or not it becomes the dominant ISA for everything is irrelevant. It serves an important role in our market and it doesn't need the guys at Qualcomm and Intel to use it to make it successful. Either way Intel is investing big money into RISC-V: https://www.zdnet.com/article/intel-invests-in-open-source-risc-v-processors-with-a-billion-dollars-in-new-chip-foundries/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/intel-invests-in-open-source-r... Also, careful what you say about high schoolers: https://riscv.org/blog/2020/11/13-year-old-nicholas-sharkey-creates-a-risc-v-core/ https://riscv.org/blog/2020/11/13-year-old-nicholas-sharkey-...

klelatti 5y ago
Fair enough and I don’t disagree at all but I do think it’s a bit different to software development on that there is probably a limit to how far you can go without one firm spending serious money. As you say it may be Intel - which doesn’t really give me a warm glow.