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Google keeps making it more and more difficult for me to use their services. It's going to be painful when Google finally forces me off Gmail.

by rascul 5y ago

afandian 5y ago
Make the leap before you're pushed!
lolinder 5y ago
Suggestion? Start now. I moved my primary email to a custom domain a bit over a year ago, and it takes a while to slowly migrate everything over. You don't want to be doing that while under pressure from whatever it is that forces you off.
- andrelaszlo 5y ago
  I'm looking to do that now, since Google will starts charging for (old grandfathered) custom domains. What service are you using for emails?
  - lolinder 5y ago
    I'm using Fastmail, and I've loved it so far. The biggest thing that landed me there was the built-in snooze feature, which works just like Gmail's. Everything else has worked perfectly, too.
- dddnzzz334 5y ago
  Any suggestions for good privacy-centric email providers?
  - pasttense01 5y ago
    If you want serious protection you should probably use one NOT based in the country you live in.
  - fsflover 5y ago
    https://www.fsf.org/resources/webmail-systems https://www.fsf.org/resources/webmail-systems
  - _joel 5y ago
    Depends on your threat analysis. I'm a happy Fastmail user for several years, mainly due to privacy and quality of the product. Others available.
  - lolinder 5y ago
    I use Fastmail and am very happy with it. I know others who are happy with Protonmail. Both place an emphasis on privacy. The biggest thing is to get onto your own domain so that switching again if your host changes policies becomes much easier.
  - NoboruWataya 5y ago
    https://privacyguides.org/providers/email/ https://privacyguides.org/providers/email/ I use mailbox.org with no complaints.
- ianai 5y ago
  Does that handle the huge torrent of ads well? Seemingly every website and brick and mortar I've shopped at ever sends me at least one email per day.
  - Qem 5y ago
    A mail client with its local bayesian filtering works fine for me, given you take a little time to flag spam and tune the filter. I use Thunderbird.
  - aaronax 5y ago
    You can use the unsubscribe link at the bottom of each email. I have done this probably hundreds of times over the past 5 years and it has worked as expected with no undesirable side effects.
  - pteraspidomorph 5y ago
    Spamassassin with a 7.5 threshold and other measures like DMARC checks has worked surprisingly well for me in recent years.
  - mwint 5y ago
    The unsubscribe buttons on those emails mostly work, by law. My life improved a lot when I started taking the ten seconds to unsubscribe from everything, vs. just deleting.
    - Fogest 5y ago
      I often find myself constantly deleting/ignoring these emails instead of just hitting "unsubscribe". It's so weird how our human laziness works because I swear not many people unsubscribe from emails even though it is typically very easy. It is satisfying when I go in and unsubscribe to a bunch of junk.
    - krageon 5y ago
      > The unsubscribe buttons on those emails mostly work, by law They won't for some arbitrary percentage of emails. And even then, they will keep coming from new places.
- rascul 5y ago
  I ran my own mail for a couple decades, until it got too time consuming. Now I primarily use Fastmail and I prefer it to Gmail, but still sometimes there are issues of third parties not liking my TLD (rare but happens with certain TLD's), but the biggest issue is when people just assume Gmail even though I've given them and sent them mail from other addresses and done everything I can to have them not send to my Gmail. Some of these are business clients, also. It's not that I haven't mostly moved from Gmail or that I'm not trying, it's that it's difficult. And I may lose some business when it happens.
  - lolinder 5y ago
    Yeah, I should note that choice of TLD is important for your primary email. In my experience so far, no one blocks .com/.org/.net. Other TLDs may be trickier.
    - rascul 5y ago
      Indeed, and now that I've been using it for years and many people also use it to contact me, it will be as painful to change it as it would be to drop Gmail.
    - jackson1442 5y ago
      Yep. Try to stick to 2/3 letter TLDs, some sites check that length is within that range. I have a "fun" tld (in the same vein as myfullna.me) but keep a .net handy that's aliased to it in case it gets rejected.
- somehowadev 5y ago
  Would like to do the same myself.. sadly my domain regsitrar is Google, not too sure if I'll need to register another name (a .dev tld) or if there's an easy route of changing registrars.
  - lolinder 5y ago
    If you have a .dev TLD domain, Google technically has a lot of control over it no matter what you do, because they own the TLD. If you want to be truly Google-free you'd need a new domain.
- ThatMedicIsASpy 5y ago
  I switched to posteo a while ago. I don't need much so it is 1€/month for me. https://posteo.de/en https://posteo.de/en
123pie123 5y ago
same here, so I use two to three browsers 1) Chrome for gmail and the odd other service (eg domains) 2) FF for general browsing (avoiding google at all costs) 3) Chrome based browser (Iridium) for the odd web site that needs Chrome or has too many scripts to open (and I really want to use the site)
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lmilcin 5y ago
It is your choice whether you use these services or not. On the other hand, if I decided to use them, I would like rules to make my account safer. It is not going to make it more difficult to get into your account -- companies that implemented insecure login method will basically have to adjust and that's it.
Markoff 5y ago
I moved away from Google services years ago, but nowadays you can't even browse Youtube without asking for age verification, I'm not going to send my ID card or credit card data to Google to prove that my 15+ years old account was not created at that time by someone who was 2 years old and is still not adult in Europe, do these people even use brain to require age verfication from 15+ years old account? Oldest e-mail I've found in my Gmail is from 2007 from Rapidshare, but created it already way before, but there is no way to find account creation time (POP/IMAP trick doesn't work, shows 2008). Any idea how to find how old is Gmail account and why they ask for age verification for 15+ yo accounts?
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Google keeps making it more and more difficult for me to use their services. It's going to be painful when Google finally forces me off Gmail.

by rascul 5y ago

Google keeps making it more and more difficult for me to use their services. It's going to be painful when Google finally forces me off Gmail.

afandian 5y ago

Make the leap before you're pushed!

lolinder 5y ago

Suggestion? Start now. I moved my primary email to a custom domain a bit over a year ago, and it takes a while to slowly migrate everything over. You don't want to be doing that while under pressure from whatever it is that forces you off.

andrelaszlo 5y ago
I'm looking to do that now, since Google will starts charging for (old grandfathered) custom domains. What service are you using for emails?
- lolinder 5y ago
  I'm using Fastmail, and I've loved it so far. The biggest thing that landed me there was the built-in snooze feature, which works just like Gmail's. Everything else has worked perfectly, too.
dddnzzz334 5y ago
Any suggestions for good privacy-centric email providers?
- pasttense01 5y ago
  If you want serious protection you should probably use one NOT based in the country you live in.
- fsflover 5y ago
  https://www.fsf.org/resources/webmail-systems https://www.fsf.org/resources/webmail-systems
- _joel 5y ago
  Depends on your threat analysis. I'm a happy Fastmail user for several years, mainly due to privacy and quality of the product. Others available.
- lolinder 5y ago
  I use Fastmail and am very happy with it. I know others who are happy with Protonmail. Both place an emphasis on privacy. The biggest thing is to get onto your own domain so that switching again if your host changes policies becomes much easier.
- NoboruWataya 5y ago
  https://privacyguides.org/providers/email/ https://privacyguides.org/providers/email/ I use mailbox.org with no complaints.
ianai 5y ago
Does that handle the huge torrent of ads well? Seemingly every website and brick and mortar I've shopped at ever sends me at least one email per day.
- Qem 5y ago
  A mail client with its local bayesian filtering works fine for me, given you take a little time to flag spam and tune the filter. I use Thunderbird.
- aaronax 5y ago
  You can use the unsubscribe link at the bottom of each email. I have done this probably hundreds of times over the past 5 years and it has worked as expected with no undesirable side effects.
- pteraspidomorph 5y ago
  Spamassassin with a 7.5 threshold and other measures like DMARC checks has worked surprisingly well for me in recent years.
- mwint 5y ago
  The unsubscribe buttons on those emails mostly work, by law. My life improved a lot when I started taking the ten seconds to unsubscribe from everything, vs. just deleting.
  - Fogest 5y ago
    I often find myself constantly deleting/ignoring these emails instead of just hitting "unsubscribe". It's so weird how our human laziness works because I swear not many people unsubscribe from emails even though it is typically very easy. It is satisfying when I go in and unsubscribe to a bunch of junk.
  - krageon 5y ago
    > The unsubscribe buttons on those emails mostly work, by law They won't for some arbitrary percentage of emails. And even then, they will keep coming from new places.
rascul 5y ago
I ran my own mail for a couple decades, until it got too time consuming. Now I primarily use Fastmail and I prefer it to Gmail, but still sometimes there are issues of third parties not liking my TLD (rare but happens with certain TLD's), but the biggest issue is when people just assume Gmail even though I've given them and sent them mail from other addresses and done everything I can to have them not send to my Gmail. Some of these are business clients, also. It's not that I haven't mostly moved from Gmail or that I'm not trying, it's that it's difficult. And I may lose some business when it happens.
- lolinder 5y ago
  Yeah, I should note that choice of TLD is important for your primary email. In my experience so far, no one blocks .com/.org/.net. Other TLDs may be trickier.
  - rascul 5y ago
    Indeed, and now that I've been using it for years and many people also use it to contact me, it will be as painful to change it as it would be to drop Gmail.
  - jackson1442 5y ago
    Yep. Try to stick to 2/3 letter TLDs, some sites check that length is within that range. I have a "fun" tld (in the same vein as myfullna.me) but keep a .net handy that's aliased to it in case it gets rejected.
somehowadev 5y ago
Would like to do the same myself.. sadly my domain regsitrar is Google, not too sure if I'll need to register another name (a .dev tld) or if there's an easy route of changing registrars.
- lolinder 5y ago
  If you have a .dev TLD domain, Google technically has a lot of control over it no matter what you do, because they own the TLD. If you want to be truly Google-free you'd need a new domain.
ThatMedicIsASpy 5y ago
I switched to posteo a while ago. I don't need much so it is 1€/month for me. https://posteo.de/en https://posteo.de/en

123pie123 5y ago

same here, so I use two to three browsers 1) Chrome for gmail and the odd other service (eg domains) 2) FF for general browsing (avoiding google at all costs) 3) Chrome based browser (Iridium) for the odd web site that needs Chrome or has too many scripts to open (and I really want to use the site)

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lmilcin 5y ago

It is your choice whether you use these services or not. On the other hand, if I decided to use them, I would like rules to make my account safer. It is not going to make it more difficult to get into your account -- companies that implemented insecure login method will basically have to adjust and that's it.

Markoff 5y ago

I moved away from Google services years ago, but nowadays you can't even browse Youtube without asking for age verification, I'm not going to send my ID card or credit card data to Google to prove that my 15+ years old account was not created at that time by someone who was 2 years old and is still not adult in Europe, do these people even use brain to require age verfication from 15+ years old account? Oldest e-mail I've found in my Gmail is from 2007 from Rapidshare, but created it already way before, but there is no way to find account creation time (POP/IMAP trick doesn't work, shows 2008). Any idea how to find how old is Gmail account and why they ask for age verification for 15+ yo accounts?

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