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But russia has to stop nato somewhere... it was too weak to do it with the baltics, and it's doing that now. USA definitely had the plan for a war with cuba, b

But russia has to stop nato somewhere... it was too weak to do it with the baltics, and it's doing that now. USA definitely had the plan for a war with cuba, but it luckily didn't happen. They did start many other wars in the meantime, mostly on the other side of the world.

rosndo 5y ago
Nato is a defensive alliance, why exactly does Russia need to stop it? NATO would never attack Russia, a nuclear power capable of ending the world as we know it. > USA definitely had the plan for a war with cuba, but it luckily didn't happen This is a really weird way to write “USA decided not to fight a war with Cuba”, everybody makes all kinds of plans.
- ajsnigrutin 5y ago
  Look... i live in the balkans... i had nato planes flying over my head, bombing a country <300 miles away... say what you want, but nato is far from just defense. Also, who was nato defending in afghanistan? Iraq? ...? And there's a difference between a "lets prepare, just in case if cuba attacks" and "let's make a false flag attack, and kill our own people, so we can attack cuba".
  - nradov 5y ago
    NATO was defending the USA in Afghanistan. The 9/11 attacks were carried out by a terrorist organization sponsored by the government of Afghanistan. The alliance specifically invoked Article 5 the day after the attack.
    - imwillofficial 5y ago
      - rosndo 5y ago
        What direct action did NATO conduct in Iraq?
      - nradov 5y ago
        Stop lying. NATO didn't conduct any direct action in Iraq for the 2003 invasion and subsequent occupation. Some NATO members independently chose to join the US led coalition but others didn't. The alliance itself played no role. This is a basic matter of historical fact. https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_51977.htm https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_51977.htm
  - rosndo 5y ago
    >Iraq NATO has has only engaged in non-combat missions in Iraq, in support of the local government. NATO has never fought in Iraq. The US is not NATO, it would do you well to do some basic research before throwing around misguided criticism.
- coldtea 5y ago
  >Nato is a defensive alliance Well, for a defensive alliance it sure has been on the offensive for the best part of 50 years
  - rosndo 5y ago
    Even if you disagree about that, could you really imagine NATO attacking Russia? E: Unfortunately can’t reply below because of HN throttling, but yes, a month ago I moved several of my employees out of Ukraine because of Russian troop buildup on the border. Wars don’t start overnight, everyone who hadn’t buried their head in sand knew this was a likely outcome.
    - ajsnigrutin 5y ago
      Could you really imagine russia attacking ukraine a month ago?
      - jounker 5y ago
        He said that he had already pulled out his Ukrainian employees. Not only did he believe, he just said that he believed strongly enough that he took concrete steps affecting other peoples lives.
        ajsnigrutin 5y ago
        He edited his post after the reply
      - cutemonster 5y ago
        Putin did already, year 2014
KptMarchewa 5y ago
>But russia has to stop nato somewhere Yes, at their own borders. Their jurisdiction ends there. All other nations have the right of self-determination and don't have to care about Russia's thoughts. If they won't like it, they could sanction Ukraine or something, don't you think?
- ajsnigrutin 5y ago
  Well yeah, but the same stands for USA and many other nato countries, that are currently occupying foreign lands... And there are many of them. This is not the good guys vs the bad guys here, this is basically stalin and hitler not agreeing divison of poland. I live in a small balkan country, and we also have our soldiers in kosovo, syria, libanon etc... what right do we have to point the finger at russia? USA is currently bombing somalia. China is looking greedily at taiwan... etc. If "everyone else" can do it, why not putin? If not putin, why do we let usa do it? Ukraine is just another equivalent of iraq, afghanistan, etc. This would be a great time to say "stop" in nato, start acting as just a defensive organization, stop all the nato members meddling abroad, and say "NO" to both putin and USA, and everyone else who wants anything outside their own borders.
  - sissjdb 5y ago
    >USA is currently bombing somalia. This is bordering on dishonest. US is supporting the legitimate Somalian government against a terror group famous for it’s attacks on schools. You could sort of compare this to Russia supporting the Syrian government, despite their legitimacy being questionable. This is something they have hardly faced international criticism over, beyond downright war crimes.

rosndo 5y ago

Nato is a defensive alliance, why exactly does Russia need to stop it? NATO would never attack Russia, a nuclear power capable of ending the world as we know it. > USA definitely had the plan for a war with cuba, but it luckily didn't happen This is a really weird way to write “USA decided not to fight a war with Cuba”, everybody makes all kinds of plans.

ajsnigrutin 5y ago
Look... i live in the balkans... i had nato planes flying over my head, bombing a country <300 miles away... say what you want, but nato is far from just defense. Also, who was nato defending in afghanistan? Iraq? ...? And there's a difference between a "lets prepare, just in case if cuba attacks" and "let's make a false flag attack, and kill our own people, so we can attack cuba".
- nradov 5y ago
  NATO was defending the USA in Afghanistan. The 9/11 attacks were carried out by a terrorist organization sponsored by the government of Afghanistan. The alliance specifically invoked Article 5 the day after the attack.
  - imwillofficial 5y ago
    - rosndo 5y ago
      What direct action did NATO conduct in Iraq?
    - nradov 5y ago
      Stop lying. NATO didn't conduct any direct action in Iraq for the 2003 invasion and subsequent occupation. Some NATO members independently chose to join the US led coalition but others didn't. The alliance itself played no role. This is a basic matter of historical fact. https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_51977.htm https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_51977.htm
- rosndo 5y ago
  >Iraq NATO has has only engaged in non-combat missions in Iraq, in support of the local government. NATO has never fought in Iraq. The US is not NATO, it would do you well to do some basic research before throwing around misguided criticism.
coldtea 5y ago
>Nato is a defensive alliance Well, for a defensive alliance it sure has been on the offensive for the best part of 50 years
- rosndo 5y ago
  Even if you disagree about that, could you really imagine NATO attacking Russia? E: Unfortunately can’t reply below because of HN throttling, but yes, a month ago I moved several of my employees out of Ukraine because of Russian troop buildup on the border. Wars don’t start overnight, everyone who hadn’t buried their head in sand knew this was a likely outcome.
  - ajsnigrutin 5y ago
    Could you really imagine russia attacking ukraine a month ago?
    - jounker 5y ago
      He said that he had already pulled out his Ukrainian employees. Not only did he believe, he just said that he believed strongly enough that he took concrete steps affecting other peoples lives.
      - ajsnigrutin 5y ago
        He edited his post after the reply
    - cutemonster 5y ago
      Putin did already, year 2014

KptMarchewa 5y ago

>But russia has to stop nato somewhere Yes, at their own borders. Their jurisdiction ends there. All other nations have the right of self-determination and don't have to care about Russia's thoughts. If they won't like it, they could sanction Ukraine or something, don't you think?

ajsnigrutin 5y ago
Well yeah, but the same stands for USA and many other nato countries, that are currently occupying foreign lands... And there are many of them. This is not the good guys vs the bad guys here, this is basically stalin and hitler not agreeing divison of poland. I live in a small balkan country, and we also have our soldiers in kosovo, syria, libanon etc... what right do we have to point the finger at russia? USA is currently bombing somalia. China is looking greedily at taiwan... etc. If "everyone else" can do it, why not putin? If not putin, why do we let usa do it? Ukraine is just another equivalent of iraq, afghanistan, etc. This would be a great time to say "stop" in nato, start acting as just a defensive organization, stop all the nato members meddling abroad, and say "NO" to both putin and USA, and everyone else who wants anything outside their own borders.
- sissjdb 5y ago
  >USA is currently bombing somalia. This is bordering on dishonest. US is supporting the legitimate Somalian government against a terror group famous for it’s attacks on schools. You could sort of compare this to Russia supporting the Syrian government, despite their legitimacy being questionable. This is something they have hardly faced international criticism over, beyond downright war crimes.