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Most of people here has no any experience of fighting against even a soft authoritarian regime. You just don't have a clue how it looks like where the police of

Most of people here has no any experience of fighting against even a soft authoritarian regime. You just don't have a clue how it looks like where the police officers beat you in the chamber in the night and you are screaming and nobody help you, they torture you putting a bottle in your anus and smashing your teeth. It's completely immoral to blame people they are fighting not enough, you don't know NOTHING about it.

VladmirPutin 5y ago
Aeolun 5y ago
I mean, nobody does, right? We’re all quite comfortable enough even with a regime in charge. Not much to be gained by the individual if they keep putting their head on the block.
dccoolgai 5y ago
Those missiles that are killing 6 year old girls aren't building themselves and paying for themselves. I respect that it's tough, but you have to respect this company's right to do the things you can't or aren't willing to do.
- morpheos137 5y ago
  Did you hear about the starving children in Yemen? Or they don't count because not European or "white?"
  - dccoolgai 5y ago
    Whataboutism and cheating at the Olympics. You could tell me the year is 1982.
jacquesm 5y ago
My sympathies, these are hard times and there are very few absolutes. I really hope that at least someone in a position to make a difference will do so and soon because the clock is running out for lots of people if that doesn't happen. Note that you are closer to the point of origin so people will automatically assume that you have more agency than they do. Some people in Russia are already taking action, depending on how many will stand with them they may succeed, there is ultimately safety in numbers, you can't jail a whole country.
- morpheos137 5y ago
  - jacquesm 5y ago
    I think every adult knows that there are limits to what you can do in any country.
    - frabbit 5y ago
      I can imagine Putin saying that to the Ukranians.
  - dennis_jeeves1 5y ago
    >whether you live in a pretend democracy like Russia or the USA Thanks, I've always maintained that there are no real democracies. Democracy is typically a sophisticated form of dictatorship. They are sophisticated enough that most people believe they have 'rights' and so on.
    - jacquesm 5y ago
      Think of it as a continuum and it starts to be more tractable.
    - rstuart4133 5y ago
      Of course democracy is a dictatorship. If it's working well it's a dictatorship by the majority of citizens. If you aren't in the majority democracy could be not so rosy, but from a utilitarian point of view is far better than dictatorship by the kleptocracy. A kleptocracy is what Russia / N.Korea and meany 3rd world countries have. But the West isn't either of those. People in the West tend to manage themselves using a democractic dictatorship whose dictators have decided to ceed a great deal of their powers to laws and judges. Mostly that power is about adjudicating property disputes, because the power they ceed is mostly the ability to seize property and labour. In a capitalist economy those things are exchanged freely between individuals so the democratic dictators get almost no say. This system is occasionally called "rule of law". Capitalism has its failure modes too - a total monopoly is a dictatorship, a dictatorship of far fewer than a democracy or your average kleptocracy. So the West is a democracy that manages a capitalist economy, steering it away from that failure mode. I'd say that's the best system mankind has invented so far. I expect China would disagree. They have a different different sort of system that manages a capitalist economy. While I think they are wrong which one is best, it's probably fair to say the jury is still out.
fastball 5y ago
Right, which is exactly why companies / other nations / etc are having to step in to stop the Russian regime, because clearly the Russian people can't / won't.
zapataband1 5y ago
Good @Russian, I wish nothing but peace for Russians and Ukrainians. We must stand together against our autocratic profit and war-driven regimes. Especially here in the US.
risyachka 5y ago
I live in Ukraine, I was on Maidan in 2014. So I know how it is. Russians on the other hand don't. The are constantly afraid while in Ukraine we are ready to risk lives for freedom and democracy.

VladmirPutin 5y ago

Aeolun 5y ago

I mean, nobody does, right? We’re all quite comfortable enough even with a regime in charge. Not much to be gained by the individual if they keep putting their head on the block.

dccoolgai 5y ago

Those missiles that are killing 6 year old girls aren't building themselves and paying for themselves. I respect that it's tough, but you have to respect this company's right to do the things you can't or aren't willing to do.

morpheos137 5y ago
Did you hear about the starving children in Yemen? Or they don't count because not European or "white?"
- dccoolgai 5y ago
  Whataboutism and cheating at the Olympics. You could tell me the year is 1982.

jacquesm 5y ago

My sympathies, these are hard times and there are very few absolutes. I really hope that at least someone in a position to make a difference will do so and soon because the clock is running out for lots of people if that doesn't happen. Note that you are closer to the point of origin so people will automatically assume that you have more agency than they do. Some people in Russia are already taking action, depending on how many will stand with them they may succeed, there is ultimately safety in numbers, you can't jail a whole country.

morpheos137 5y ago
- jacquesm 5y ago
  I think every adult knows that there are limits to what you can do in any country.
  - frabbit 5y ago
    I can imagine Putin saying that to the Ukranians.
- dennis_jeeves1 5y ago
  >whether you live in a pretend democracy like Russia or the USA Thanks, I've always maintained that there are no real democracies. Democracy is typically a sophisticated form of dictatorship. They are sophisticated enough that most people believe they have 'rights' and so on.
  - jacquesm 5y ago
    Think of it as a continuum and it starts to be more tractable.
  - rstuart4133 5y ago
    Of course democracy is a dictatorship. If it's working well it's a dictatorship by the majority of citizens. If you aren't in the majority democracy could be not so rosy, but from a utilitarian point of view is far better than dictatorship by the kleptocracy. A kleptocracy is what Russia / N.Korea and meany 3rd world countries have. But the West isn't either of those. People in the West tend to manage themselves using a democractic dictatorship whose dictators have decided to ceed a great deal of their powers to laws and judges. Mostly that power is about adjudicating property disputes, because the power they ceed is mostly the ability to seize property and labour. In a capitalist economy those things are exchanged freely between individuals so the democratic dictators get almost no say. This system is occasionally called "rule of law". Capitalism has its failure modes too - a total monopoly is a dictatorship, a dictatorship of far fewer than a democracy or your average kleptocracy. So the West is a democracy that manages a capitalist economy, steering it away from that failure mode. I'd say that's the best system mankind has invented so far. I expect China would disagree. They have a different different sort of system that manages a capitalist economy. While I think they are wrong which one is best, it's probably fair to say the jury is still out.

fastball 5y ago

Right, which is exactly why companies / other nations / etc are having to step in to stop the Russian regime, because clearly the Russian people can't / won't.

zapataband1 5y ago

Good @Russian, I wish nothing but peace for Russians and Ukrainians. We must stand together against our autocratic profit and war-driven regimes. Especially here in the US.

risyachka 5y ago

I live in Ukraine, I was on Maidan in 2014. So I know how it is. Russians on the other hand don't. The are constantly afraid while in Ukraine we are ready to risk lives for freedom and democracy.