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Have they blocked China, as well? You know, because of all the human rights violations and (war) crimes there?

by movedx 5y ago

axiosgunnar 5y ago
I despise communism as much as everyone, but at least China is (currently) not trying to violently expand its borders (a bit of posturing in the South China Sea is nothing compared to what is going on in Ukraine) and especially... it is not threatening to nuke everyone.
- sudosysgen 5y ago
  So it's perfectly fine to commit war crimes and wars of agression as long as you're trying to install a puppet and not to expand your borders? You should advice Putin as much.
  - axiosgunnar 5y ago
    It literally is OK if you are not shedding blood, just doing undercover color revolutions etc. It is human nature do want to increase your power, removing this outlet is not realistic. Just don't use physical violence, instead use subversion, etc. Then it basically becomes one big game of chess or soccer, just between intelligence agencies. The trophy is power and influence. I am fine with this as long as no humans are physically harmed. Therefore the 2014 coup was OK, but the 2022 war is not.
    - sudosysgen 5y ago
      You're talking to a strawman. I was talking about other countries that commit warcrimes and wars of agression (every single NATO member in Libya, Saudi Arabia, Israel, etc...) Also, it's false that the 2014 coup wasn't violent. It very much was.
    - movedx 5y ago
      > It is human nature do want to increase your power, removing this outlet is not realistic. If you're aware of it, you can overcome it. It's not like "human nature" is an excuse. "I didn't rape that woman because, you know, it's human nature for a man to want to have sex and spread his genes to the next generation. I was just giving in to my human nature." Yeah, no. You can overcome "human nature" by understanding your actions and the effects they have on the environment around you. If it's net negative, stop doing it. If it's positive, keep doing it.
- me_me_mu_mu 5y ago
  I know right? All they've done is just put a huge amount of people in concentration camps and silenced dissidents, while consolidating power in a one party state ruled by a dictator.
- loopdoend 5y ago
  China is doing genocide against its Muslim population in Xinjiang.
  - jchiu1106 5y ago
    Bless your heart. Take any modern media information with a grain of salt.
    - anonymoushn 5y ago
      yes, when the people who actually went to the reeducation camps and actually got raped every day tell us about it, we should be sure not to believe them. great idea.
oversocialized 5y ago
Or Israel
jchiu1106 5y ago
America dropped more bombs, killing more civilians in other countries than the rest of the world combined in the last 50 years. Oh I forgot it's justified bc they're fighting terrorism, for freedom and/or the killed are brown people which doesn't count. Got it.
- movedx 5y ago
  I'm not American.

Have they blocked China, as well? You know, because of all the human rights violations and (war) crimes there?

by movedx 5y ago

Have they blocked China, as well? You know, because of all the human rights violations and (war) crimes there?

I despise communism as much as everyone, but at least China is (currently) not trying to violently expand its borders (a bit of posturing in the South China Sea is nothing compared to what is going on in Ukraine) and especially... it is not threatening to nuke everyone.

sudosysgen 5y ago
So it's perfectly fine to commit war crimes and wars of agression as long as you're trying to install a puppet and not to expand your borders? You should advice Putin as much.
- axiosgunnar 5y ago
  It literally is OK if you are not shedding blood, just doing undercover color revolutions etc. It is human nature do want to increase your power, removing this outlet is not realistic. Just don't use physical violence, instead use subversion, etc. Then it basically becomes one big game of chess or soccer, just between intelligence agencies. The trophy is power and influence. I am fine with this as long as no humans are physically harmed. Therefore the 2014 coup was OK, but the 2022 war is not.
  - sudosysgen 5y ago
    You're talking to a strawman. I was talking about other countries that commit warcrimes and wars of agression (every single NATO member in Libya, Saudi Arabia, Israel, etc...) Also, it's false that the 2014 coup wasn't violent. It very much was.
  - movedx 5y ago
    > It is human nature do want to increase your power, removing this outlet is not realistic. If you're aware of it, you can overcome it. It's not like "human nature" is an excuse. "I didn't rape that woman because, you know, it's human nature for a man to want to have sex and spread his genes to the next generation. I was just giving in to my human nature." Yeah, no. You can overcome "human nature" by understanding your actions and the effects they have on the environment around you. If it's net negative, stop doing it. If it's positive, keep doing it.
me_me_mu_mu 5y ago
I know right? All they've done is just put a huge amount of people in concentration camps and silenced dissidents, while consolidating power in a one party state ruled by a dictator.
loopdoend 5y ago
China is doing genocide against its Muslim population in Xinjiang.
- jchiu1106 5y ago
  Bless your heart. Take any modern media information with a grain of salt.
  - anonymoushn 5y ago
    yes, when the people who actually went to the reeducation camps and actually got raped every day tell us about it, we should be sure not to believe them. great idea.

oversocialized 5y ago

Or Israel

jchiu1106 5y ago

America dropped more bombs, killing more civilians in other countries than the rest of the world combined in the last 50 years. Oh I forgot it's justified bc they're fighting terrorism, for freedom and/or the killed are brown people which doesn't count. Got it.

movedx 5y ago
I'm not American.