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I will respond to this one. It's good that you tried to fight the regime. Clearly it wasn't enough. You live in society, not in the woods. The majority decide
by risyachka 5y ago
I will respond to this one.
It's good that you tried to fight the regime. Clearly it wasn't enough.
You live in society, not in the woods. The majority decides how all live - like in any other country. In your country majority decided not to overthrow dictatorship. As result, minority suffers. So here is your answer.
- alinaish 5y agoSo from your perspective it is ok to generalize and discriminate the minority? Sorry, but how are you better than Putin then?
- Retric 5y agoBystanders living in Russia are defacto supporting the regime by paying taxes, working, buying goods, etc. Leaving isn’t free, but it’s much safer than protesting inside Russia.
- int_19h 5y agoLeaving isn't just expensive, but there are also matters such as visas.
- AnotherWayT 5y ago
- jacquesm 5y agoBut not as complicit as say the German government, which is controlled by a much smaller number of people and made a disproportionally larger contribution to the Russian war coffers.
- bobthechef 5y ago
- mikeyouse 5y agoHow is he better than Putin? I think it’s safe to assume he never invaded a sovereign nation? (Or murdered any journalists, or shot down a passenger jet, or murdered political rivals, or bombed apartment blocks, or attacked foreign elections, or sponsored mercenary groups to overthrow African governments)
- alinaish 5y agobut the narrative is the same. if minority disagrees it’s ok to fuck them over. If you genuinely believe that russian people chose to live under the dictatorship, then following the same logic you could say that african-americans chose to live in slavery. Does it also sound reasonable to you? The statement “oh well, you are a minority, so you deserve to be discriminated” is quite an ignorant thing to say. Don’t you think so?
- FpUser 5y ago>"I think it’s safe to assume" No it is not. Do a little research and you will find the examples of everything mentioned.
- alinaish 5y agodo my research on what? on russian dictatorship? on logic? on slavery? lol If you see inconsistency in my reasoning, I’m happy to hear your criticism, but not lazy “go do research”, coz you have nothing to say
- FpUser 5y ago>"I think it’s safe to assume he never invaded a sovereign nation? (Or murdered any journalists, or shot down a passenger jet, or murdered political rivals, or bombed apartment blocks, or attacked foreign elections, or sponsored mercenary groups to overthrow African governments)" West done most of the above.
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- Russian 5y agoMost of people here has no any experience of fighting against even a soft authoritarian regime. You just don't have a clue how it looks like where the police officers beat you in the chamber in the night and you are screaming and nobody help you, they torture you putting a bottle in your anus and smashing your teeth. It's completely immoral to blame people they are fighting not enough, you don't know NOTHING about it.
- VladmirPutin 5y ago
- Aeolun 5y agoI mean, nobody does, right? We’re all quite comfortable enough even with a regime in charge. Not much to be gained by the individual if they keep putting their head on the block.
- dccoolgai 5y agoThose missiles that are killing 6 year old girls aren't building themselves and paying for themselves. I respect that it's tough, but you have to respect this company's right to do the things you can't or aren't willing to do.
- morpheos137 5y agoDid you hear about the starving children in Yemen? Or they don't count because not European or "white?"
- dccoolgai 5y agoWhataboutism and cheating at the Olympics. You could tell me the year is 1982.
- jacquesm 5y agoMy sympathies, these are hard times and there are very few absolutes. I really hope that at least someone in a position to make a difference will do so and soon because the clock is running out for lots of people if that doesn't happen. Note that you are closer to the point of origin so people will automatically assume that you have more agency than they do. Some people in Russia are already taking action, depending on how many will stand with them they may succeed, there is ultimately safety in numbers, you can't jail a whole country.
- waffle_maniac 5y ago
- jopsen 5y agoEconomic pressure will eventually reduce the threat that Russia poses. This is a long-term strategy. It'll take years, and it will drag the Russian people into poverty. Sad, but what's the alternative? With a little luck this avoids a war. Russians might suffer, but they would also suffer of we fight a war.
- waffle_maniac 5y ago
- jopsen 5y agoAgreed, it won't work. It won't remove Putin. But it means that if we have to fight a war with Russia. The Russia we'll be fighting will be poor. I'm guessing that's the cold logic behind it. Mind you, sanctions probably aren't at that level yet. Oil and gas still flows.
- jopsen 5y agoTo clarify, I'm saying sanctions is a crappy tool. But there are no better options. NATO isn't going to liberate Russians from Putin. That seems like a bad idea.
- dang 5y agoYou can't post like this to this forum. Please see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30510198 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30510198. We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30506315 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30506315.