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> People that are getting angry need to point that at the cause, their own government. Believe me, I'm very angry at my government. Unlike you, I've been prote
by exizt88 5y ago
> People that are getting angry need to point that at the cause, their own government.
Believe me, I'm very angry at my government. Unlike you, I've been protesting the regime for several years, putting my health and well-being at risk. I've donated thousands of dollars to anti-regime organizations. And I'm currently in the process of fleeing the country because of this.
So I'm also very angry at you, for screwing me over when I'm in a really fucking vulnerable position, as well as hundreds other developers who depended on your company.
- NicoJuicy 5y agoI don't think they ( namecheap) has a choice, considering a lot of their employees live/lived in Ukraine.
- rootusrootus 5y ago> a lot of their employees live/lived in Ukraine I get the impression this is a lot of why they made this business decision. They're standing strongly by their employees.
- NicoJuicy 5y agoFor sake of perspective. Let's say Belgium was invaded and I had to to handle a support ticket from the same nationality as the agressor. I'm not sure if I would have the clarity to handle it with the "expected" care, if I just had to flee my home. While standing with your employees is one thing, I'm not sure if the same support quality can be achieved. The whole continent received nuke threats by now, making it worse.
- sam_lowry_ 5y agoDear fellow Belgian, Belgium already took part in the conflict, sending arms to Ukraine and troops to Romania to strengthen NATO presence along the border. Even if Belgium is not yet invaded nor bombed, you have to rethink your doing business with Russia, even though individual Russian citizens you deal with are agreeable people you always had pleasure working with. That's one of the worst parts of the war. It breaks relationships between millions of people while mere thousands die.
- NicoJuicy 5y agoNote: Belgium hasn't played an "active" role. My example was hypothethical to illustrate my point. NATO is a defensive measure against ( as it is proven now) a valid threat. I'm reiterating my statement of 2 years ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23679110 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23679110 - Which was flagged, but unfortunately seems to be already proven right (partially, since it's not over at all) in hindsight. Since the latest threats of Russia are now also against the EU ( and as such, NATO) Russia ( as in Putin's Russia) is destroying everything possible. The West ( as in democratic countries) tried for a long time that trade will improve democracy, this is even the underlying 'raison d'être' of the EU. There is ( i believe) a big shift coming away of that thinking. Where other countries like Hungary ( as in Orban's Hungary) should be aware that the EU is toughening their stance with the latest events unfolding.
- anonAndOn 5y ago> There is ( i believe) a big shift coming away of that thinking The US has just weaponized global finance. A country's access to most of the world is now contingent upon playing by the US/EU's rules. Or, there's China.
- KptMarchewa 5y agoOh no, not the global finance! How sad. And if by "rules" you mean not acting like North Korea, then yes. You should play by those rules.
- anonAndOn 5y ago> Oh no, not the global finance! How sad. You jest, but much like a man who has just lost his job and has no foreseeable income, Russia is now entirely dependent upon what savings it has to pay for everything... from China. Surely, China wouldn't take advantage of their comrades, right?
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- dang 5y ago> Welcome to having your country at war Please keep snark off HN at the best of times (this is in the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html) and certainly in a case like this. Piling on an individual is definitely not a good way to respond. I appreciate what you said later in your comment but unfortunately flamebait is determined by the flamiest bit, and you led with that.
- rosndo 5y agoThis is petty, the comment is factually accurate and not written in an inflammatory manner. These are the consequences of the decisions made by exizt88’s government, it is not unfair to point this out. Nobody is blaming him. E: How could this comment possibly deserve to be flagged?
- zozbot234 5y ago> not written in an inflammatory manner. Suggesting that exizt88 should "welcome" this war is indistinguishable from nationalistic flamebait. The point about government involvement was already addressed in their previous comment. The basic argument that government decisions have unintended consequences is valid, but could certainly be made in a more polite and respectful manner.
- rosndo 5y agoThat’s not what the expression means in English. This is a particularly strange way to interpret those words.
- dang 5y agoOf course these calls are matters of interpretation, but I really don't think you're correct here. "Welcome to $foo" is a snarky way of conveying that you know all about something while the other person is ignorant and doesn't even know the basics yet. When $foo expands to "your country at war", that is a really, really awful thing to say.
- ashvardanian 5y agoExactly! The tech community is the epicenter of change in Russia, same as in most places. My situation is different, but equally anecdotal. I left Russia years ago, as soon as I could. My company isn't in Russia. I don't pay taxes in Russia. I am not even Russian by ethnicity, but I have relatives in Russia and I am still holding a Russian passport. Does that make me a bad person? Even if I were Russian, is it against the ICANN rules to belong to certain ethnicities or nationalities? As a final note, people who live in CIS all have friends in both countries. For them the war is real and not on a TV screen. Imagine how many hours will those people waste changing those damn configs instead of helping people in need in both Ukraine and Russia...
- crubier 5y agoSorry, but you should be happy the whole world and companies are joining your fight. Putin has to be stopped now, that includes some uncool stuff like this and blocking SWIFT.
- ezconnect 5y agoBlocking SWIFT was for the little people to suffer, same as what Namecheap is now doing. Russian gas company still uses SWIFT and they are not banned it's all theater by the Germans. Germany and France could have prevented this catastrophe but they choose not to.
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- Aeolun 5y agoEasy to say when you are not the target. Making me use 50% less electricity is one thing. Having to move all my domains would be quite another.
- v_47 5y agoAt least you are not a target for a missile. For a lot of people right now it's the best what they can hope for.
- waffle_maniac 5y agoI really hope the CEO, Richard Kirkendall, responds to your comment. It would be cowardly not to do so. Edit: It seems like he has responded to other comments but not this one.
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- hereforphone 5y agoMaybe he prefers to stay on topic.
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- lucb1e 5y agoI'm glad they kept politics out of it when not relevant to the discussion.
- exizt88 5y agoFirst of all, you missed my submission about Navalny app being blocked by Apple, and also my submission about getting Internet access to information that is not controlled by the government. But more importantly, what? You went through my comments, you haven't found evidence of me being against Putin and decided to point that out?
- bduerst 5y ago>Unlike you, I've been protesting the regime for several years, putting my health and well-being at risk If you've been protesting your regime for years, why don't you also understand their protest? It seems like you are both aligned here.
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- exoque 5y agoHis protest probably didn't cause collateral damage to innocent people.
- bduerst 5y agoBut his government is directly killing innocent people in Ukraine right now, which is worse. Different times call for different measures of protest, albeit these two people still share the same goals against the same aggressor.
- margalabargala 5y ago> his government In the US, Europe, etc, one's government is actually approximately representative of a large portion of the populace. In Russia, the government is autocratic and not at all representative of the populace, so comparisons like "their government is doing a worse thing than we're doing to them" kinda falls flat. What it sounds like is happening here is that Namecheap feels like they want to do something, and they're doing a thing that they are able to do, and something causes damage in the general direction of the intended target. Probably there are non-zero Russian state news, propaganda, etc sites that will be affected by this. But this is clearly not a war born out of popular desire of the populace, and the collateral damage from this is huge. The amount of harm this will cause random people who may be trying to flee Russia, or to Russian opposition organizations that might now be less able to organize internal protests, almost certainly outweighs any inconvenience caused to the Putin regime.
- lostmsu 5y agoHave you already stopped paying taxes, that fund this war?
- hereforphone 5y agoPerhaps it's not like the US where you stop paying taxes and no one even mentions it for several years. Then you get a slap-on-the-wrist fine and have to pay back taxes.
- sam_lowry_ 5y agoIndeed. They pay taxes at the source in Russia, so that humans get to know and discuss their net salary only. It's dehumanizing and depoliticizing and should be changed once Putin is out of power.
- jbverschoor 5y agoSame in the Netherlands.
- Aeolun 5y agoI never knew there were so many dehumanizing regimes in Europe!
- hurflmurfl 5y agoNot sure what you're talking about, it was the same when I worked in the UK - unless you switch to self-employment, your employer pays taxes for you and you just get the net salary.
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- viraptor 5y agoThis is not specific to Russia. It's also not even close to dehumanizing. Locally, my employer handles the taxes from my income. I get both numbers on the payslips and get an annual national summary of "what were my taxes spent on".
- jacquesm 5y agoYour anger is understandable, but think of it this way: you are both fighting the same fight. Their action may well shorten the length of the remaining time for Putin, gives a very small comfort to their employees and if enough companies do this then it will hopefully make some real change for the better. Russia may be able to exist in isolation from the world, but not for long.
- concinds 5y agoThe problem with sanctions is that they A) fail to cause regime change and B) cause deaths. In Venezuela, sanctions caused 40,000 deaths in 2 years. Now, domain names going away won't cause deaths, but then again they won't cause regime change.
- anonAndOn 5y agoRussia has been propping up Venezuela. Maybe there will be quite a few regime changes this year?
- exizt88 5y agoFrom the inside, it doesn't quite look that way. The state has been doing a lot to become less reliant on imports in the last decade. If you also consider examples of North Korea, Iran, Venezuela, Cuba and many other dictatorships, you'll see that isolation doesn't really correlate with regime change.
- jacquesm 5y agoYes, understood. I get where you are coming from, but at the same time I totally understand that for a company with such a large footprint in Ukraine it is absolutely unacceptable to continue to do business with what is now properly termed 'the enemy'. The price for access to the global market is that you behave like a team player and that you don't willy nilly invade other countries. Even if isolation does not necessarily correlate with regime change that is still something that in the end gets decided within the country, not outside of it. After all, regime change is exactly what Putin was after in Ukraine so that would seem to be fair turnabout.
- falcolas 5y agoYou fight with the weapons you have. If you have a rock to defend your family with, you fight with the rock. The guy you kill with the rock is, realistically, probably as innocent as the commoners back in Russia. If you have the ability to hit the Russian government where it hurts - in their money - not using it to defend your employees is as unconscionable as not picking up that rock to defend your family. War has never differentiated between innocent and guilty in the past, nor can it differentiate today. It's a battle between governments, and people who are really hurt will always be the innocent. Fuck war. But don't blame someone for defending themselves, their family, their employees, with the weapons they have, not the weapons you wish they had.
- yurgen 5y agoYou are right, but deliberately hitting crowd of commoners with a huge rock trying to hit a coward warrior? Don't pretend the West has no more precise option
- falcolas 5y agoEconomic damage is probably one of the most precise weapons we have that will damage a government yet which doesn't kill people (directly, I know quite well the impact of losing your income on your life in winter). Could the US (UK, France, Germany, etc) hit Putin directly with a drone or missile strike? Quite possibly (though chances are pretty high that would look a lot like your "coward in a crowd" scenario). But - pertinent to this conversation - can Namecheap's CEO hit Putin directly with a conventional weapon strike? No. He doesn't have bombs, drones, missiles, or guns. He has domain name registries and web hosting, and the ability to offer and not offer those services to others.
- antifa 5y agoNow Russian citizens will be forced to spend their money inside the Russian economy, how will Putin recover from this?
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- andreygrehov 5y ago> So I'm also very angry at you, for screwing me over Just out of curiosity, how are you screwed? Is it so hard to move to a different registrar? It's not like you are being kicked out from a cloud provider, which would indeed be a pain in the ass.
- bombcar 5y agoIf you just had most if not all international payment methods stop, your only option now is to transfer your domains to a russian state owned or controlled entity which should be obvious why it could be problematic.
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- Yoofie 5y agoWow. Shameful. People don't get to choose where they are born and describing other people and another society in such a way despite their current government is quite pathetic. I hope others see your xenophobia and learn to treat others more respectfully.
- tomjakubowski 5y agoCommenter said they are fleeing Russia, should have more options available outside the country, no?
- bombcar 5y agoIf they’re fleeing they’re not yet out, and foreign payments have been stopped.
- anonymoushn 5y ago> Just out of curiosity, how are you screwed? Is it so hard to move to a different registrar? Normally, if you pay for a service for a year and then it ends after a couple months by surprise, you could describe that as being screwed. > Additionally, and with immediate effect, you will no longer be able to use Namecheap Hosting, EasyWP, and Private Email with a domain provided by another registrar in zones .ru, .xn--p1ai (рф), .by, .xn--90ais (бел), and .su. All websites will resolve to 403 Forbidden, however, you can contact us to assist you with your transfer to another provider. Looks like a bunch of people were kicked from Namecheap's cloud services with 0 notice though. Or do you mean that these services are relatively simple, and it would be a pain to migrate from a service provider who provides much more complex services with 0 notice?
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- zapataband1 5y agoThe list of countries that the US has invaded is so deep. We must have solidarity with each-other and hold sociopathic leaders accountable, the way current sanctions are being structured is imo targetting civilians much more than russian elite or oligarchs. I wish nothing but peace for Russian and Ukrainian people, good luck friend.
- kome 5y agoso, putin was right! the west hate us! russophobia! please... Nobody hates Russians. Hell, I like Russians a lot. But this is war. World is unfair. I hope you see your "sanction" is such a minor grievance if compared to people that just died in an unjust war. That's why it would have been more elegant and with decorum just to be silent and accept this without whining that (omg!) your domain needs to move.