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Disrupting the everyday lives of Russian citizens is an effective way to incite change. Some will choose to flee the chaos, but some will choose to protest and

Disrupting the everyday lives of Russian citizens is an effective way to incite change. Some will choose to flee the chaos, but some will choose to protest and fight the regime. Will there be good Russians unfairly hurt as collateral damage? Yes. But the Ukrainian civilians being gunned down in the streets and having their homes blown up are also being unfairly hurt. There is very little they can do to stop it, but they've been forced to drop everything and fight. Like it or not, you're on one side of a war. It's to be expected that your life will be inconvenienced - so have lives on the other side. You can flee - nothing wrong with that - or you can protest, but you can't hope that you won't be impacted.

traveller_aa 5y ago
firekvz 5y ago
> Disrupting the everyday lives of Russian citizens No it doesnt because is not a democratic country, why is it so hard for people like you to understand that things work very different in a democratic country than in non-democratic country? Do you know what happens when you are in a country that doesnt respect human rights and you go to "protest"? Do you know what happens when you, as a citizen with no power, try to fight a military regime? Do you really think, russians right now are enjoyinig this and will somehow march to get Putin's head because their quality of life will be miserable now? no, they wont, because the moment they start doing it, they will be repressed and killed, and there you will be, super happy sharing your support posts to those people the worst part of all of these, is that you don't realize that one of the goals of putin is to undermine his own state, so he can keep power for the years to come, and here you are, helping him :), good job at making every russian life even worse.
- miohtama 5y ago
  Putin is in his 70s. He does not have years to come.
  - waffle_maniac 5y ago
    - djbusby 5y ago
      > When disagreeing, please reply to the argument instead of calling names. From the site guidelines
      - waffle_maniac 5y ago
- thrwyoilarticle 5y ago
  No place was born a democracy. Protest isn't even a necessary event. If the reward of continuing the war becomes less than the damage of continuing it, it only needs Putin. Regardless, he always enjoyed a very high approval rating while amassing his position. >Do you know what happens when you are in a country that doesnt respect human rights and you go to "protest"? >Do you know what happens when you, as a citizen with no power, try to fight a military regime? Luckily I am not Ukrainian, so I am not having this discovery forced upon me.
- JamisonM 5y ago
  "No it doesnt because is not a democratic country, why is it so hard for people like you to understand that things work very different in a democratic country than in non-democratic country?" I sympathize with this position but I also feel conflicted because despite the enormous amount of evidence that Putin was a bad guy as recently as 2017 he had 80+% approval rating. If had not had large scale popular support for most of the last 20 years despite his anti-democratic anti-freedom behaviour would he be in a position to execute this war? I don't have good answers for this question but just as democracy isn't just having a vote political support in a non-democracy isn't just having the legal use of violence at your disposal. It is challenging for anyone from outside Russia that wants to oppose his regime to find a way that doesn't hurt ordinary Russians if most ordinary Russians mostly have supported him.
- mcfedr 5y ago
  Do you think the Ukrainians after enjoying this? They cannot put every Russian in jail, if you are not on the streets and burning the Kremlin you clearly don't care enough
  - IiydAbITMvJkqKf 5y ago
    Flagging this because you are literally inciting Russian civilians to get themselves killed.
- Tryk 5y ago
  What do you think is the ratio of Policeman to Citizen in Russia? What if police would join the protest?
waffle_maniac 5y ago
bombcar 5y ago
This line of argument leads to dropping cruise missiles on “strategic targets” … Maybe if we blow up enough Russian power plants they’ll spontaneously overthrow Putin!

traveller_aa 5y ago

firekvz 5y ago

> Disrupting the everyday lives of Russian citizens No it doesnt because is not a democratic country, why is it so hard for people like you to understand that things work very different in a democratic country than in non-democratic country? Do you know what happens when you are in a country that doesnt respect human rights and you go to "protest"? Do you know what happens when you, as a citizen with no power, try to fight a military regime? Do you really think, russians right now are enjoyinig this and will somehow march to get Putin's head because their quality of life will be miserable now? no, they wont, because the moment they start doing it, they will be repressed and killed, and there you will be, super happy sharing your support posts to those people the worst part of all of these, is that you don't realize that one of the goals of putin is to undermine his own state, so he can keep power for the years to come, and here you are, helping him :), good job at making every russian life even worse.

miohtama 5y ago
Putin is in his 70s. He does not have years to come.
- waffle_maniac 5y ago
  - djbusby 5y ago
    > When disagreeing, please reply to the argument instead of calling names. From the site guidelines
    - waffle_maniac 5y ago
thrwyoilarticle 5y ago
No place was born a democracy. Protest isn't even a necessary event. If the reward of continuing the war becomes less than the damage of continuing it, it only needs Putin. Regardless, he always enjoyed a very high approval rating while amassing his position. >Do you know what happens when you are in a country that doesnt respect human rights and you go to "protest"? >Do you know what happens when you, as a citizen with no power, try to fight a military regime? Luckily I am not Ukrainian, so I am not having this discovery forced upon me.
JamisonM 5y ago
"No it doesnt because is not a democratic country, why is it so hard for people like you to understand that things work very different in a democratic country than in non-democratic country?" I sympathize with this position but I also feel conflicted because despite the enormous amount of evidence that Putin was a bad guy as recently as 2017 he had 80+% approval rating. If had not had large scale popular support for most of the last 20 years despite his anti-democratic anti-freedom behaviour would he be in a position to execute this war? I don't have good answers for this question but just as democracy isn't just having a vote political support in a non-democracy isn't just having the legal use of violence at your disposal. It is challenging for anyone from outside Russia that wants to oppose his regime to find a way that doesn't hurt ordinary Russians if most ordinary Russians mostly have supported him.
mcfedr 5y ago
Do you think the Ukrainians after enjoying this? They cannot put every Russian in jail, if you are not on the streets and burning the Kremlin you clearly don't care enough
- IiydAbITMvJkqKf 5y ago
  Flagging this because you are literally inciting Russian civilians to get themselves killed.
Tryk 5y ago
What do you think is the ratio of Policeman to Citizen in Russia? What if police would join the protest?

waffle_maniac 5y ago

bombcar 5y ago

This line of argument leads to dropping cruise missiles on “strategic targets” … Maybe if we blow up enough Russian power plants they’ll spontaneously overthrow Putin!