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Putin has gotten much more than he bargained for. Inspired by the people of Ukraine.
by RyanShook 5y ago
Putin has gotten much more than he bargained for. Inspired by the people of Ukraine.
- senectus1 5y agoI'm not certain that Ukraine is winning all that much. sure there are a lot of encouraging and heartwarming videos out there, but Ukraine keeps losing key locations and infrastructure. I'm keen to see some more pointy support for Ukraine. this invasion was completely unprovoked and unwarranted.
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- jaimex2 5y agoThey're not. Propaganda machines are in overdrive. For context, Germany with the help of the USSR took Poland in about 31 days, which was considered fast. It's day 3, Russia is knocking on the capital and Ukraine is on its own. This is pretty one sided.
- LegitShady 5y agoKiev is located less than 100km from belarus, where russia is staging and sending troops from. You could literally drive from kiev to belarus in an hour and not break the speed limit, if there wasn't a war on. Maybe your analysis is too simple for the comparison you're making?
- vlunkr 5y agoAlso, over 80 years of technological advances complicates the comparison quite a bit.
- viraptor 5y agoRussia is already showing that they're not doing great. The actions are not very targeted (missiles sent into residential areas), there's no viable air defence, (transports getting hit by drones), estimated 1/3 of forces already sent in and the capital still not taken over, airports were changing hands a number of times... Ukraine may not be winning, but Russia definitely isn't.
- senectus1 5y ago>Ukraine may not be winning, but Russia definitely isn't. good summary I suspect.
- XorNot 5y agoConversely... Does it matter? The US couldn't hold Afghanistan or Iraq. The USSR couldn't hold Afghanistan. What even is a "win" in Ukraine? It's inheriting 44 million armed insurgents and an unpopular occupation with your own people.
- antognini 5y agoI think [0] Putin vastly miscalculated public sentiment in Ukraine. His attack was based on the premise that Ukraine's government is essentially a puppet state of the west with little popular support in the country. This is been how the Russain state has been telling the story since 2014. He probably expected this to go like the Taliban's expulsion of the US from Afghanistan in 2021. Most of the people would support, or at least not be too bothered by it, the government would flee, and the few government supporters would have no will to fight. Then he could install a sympathetic government as there is in Belarus. But obviously, popular support for the Ukrainian state turned out to be much, much higher than Putin thought. As they say, don't get high on your own (propaganda) supply. [0]: With the obvious caveat that I'm just a random person on the internet with no special information.
- dukeofdoom 5y agoThe Iraq war was way more costly in terms of lives lost. Despite killing so many people the US still couldn't hold it. Iraq study estimates war-related deaths at 461,000 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-24547256 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-24547256
- chrononaut 5y agoCan you elaborate on "couldn't hold it" in the context of the Iraq war? It makes sense with Afghanistan due to the Taliban filling the void, but doesn't Iraq have roughly the same government and stability that it had when the US left / withdrew?
- dukeofdoom 5y ago"In January 2020, during massive protests[3] and following an escalation of tensions between the United States and Iran, the Iraqi Council of Representatives passed a non-binding measure to "expel all foreign troops from their country," including American and Iranian troops. " https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Withdrawal_of_United_States_troops_from_Iraq_(2020%E2%80%932021) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Withdrawal_of_United_States_tr...
- JumpCrisscross 5y ago> not certain that Ukraine is winning all that much Nobody says Ukraine is winning. Just that Russia is performing comically badly. Major cities stand. Ukraine maintains an Air Force and SAMs, denying Russia air superiority. Putin attempted blitzkrieg and publicly failed. He’s also turbocharged NATO and possibly extended its northern borders, a monumental blunder given his original premise for the war. Put simply, Russia’s military is worse than people assumed. Before, that was uncertain. Now, it is known. That isn’t great for a dictator ruling by military night.
- afro88 5y agoIn chess, what can look like a blunder in the short term can be a brilliant move longer term. I want to believe you're right, but it's too easy to say they're performing comically badly. Putin and his cronies aren't idiots. I can't shake this feeling that there's a longer term play at hand and this is a part of it.
- matwood 5y ago> Putin and his cronies aren't idiots. Not idiots, but hubris has been the downfall of many powerful people.
- FpUser 5y agoI think he is an idiot / retard / criminal / whatever else goes here
- hh3k0 5y agoIt would be cool if we could refrain from comparing mentally handicapped people – using slurs, to top it all – to heinous war criminals like Putin. I mean, c'mon, that's super simple stuff.
- FpUser 5y agoYou know very well what I meant. Do you you really think I am trying to equate him to that poor mentally handicapped soul wandering streets?
- kumarvvr 5y agoUkraine won the war of perceptions. Putin is absolutely come out as weak and pathetic from this step. Sure, he may get some with negotiations and the nukes threat, but everyone now knows that if he has to cry about my nukes in a strategic land war, orchestrated with months of planning, then he has already lost the war. I would not be surprised if he will be deposed in less than a decade from now on.
- kangda123 5y agoThere is no winners here but it's a huge improvement that Russia has to at least pay the price.
- shagmin 5y agoThe main way I see Ukraine winning is it continues like you said - Ukraine will lose infrastructure and key locations. But then it becomes guerilla warefare. At that point Ukraine has to outlast Putin or Putin's will to stay in Ukraine while he sees his military's morale and economy go down the drain.
- dukeofdoom 5y agoUnprovoked? Ukraine has been shelling Russian military installations for months and current government is openly hostile towards Russia, wants to join Nato and Zelenskyy called for Nuclear armament of his country. Think if this was a situation in Canada. How long would the US tolerate Canadian government being openly hostile to the US. Employing the kids of Russian officials. Asking Russia for Nuclear arms and military aid. And openly shelling Alaska. The Donetsk region of Ukraine doesn't want to be part of it Large parts of Ukraine are ethnically Russian and voted in past for the pro Russian candidates. This is a regional conflict with global implications. But the more the world gets sucked into it. The longer the suffering for everyone.
- jacquesm 5y agoYour comments on this subject are strange.
- dukeofdoom 5y agoNot strange. I'm just telling you what the chessboard looks like from the other players perspective.
- jacquesm 5y agoThis isn't a game. There are no respawns.
- sg47 5y agoThis is not the right place for Russian propaganda
- postalrat 5y agoIt's a bit crazy that to me that its only been a few days and everyone is judging russia in ukraine. How would they have judged the usa in afganistan after a couple days? Or iraq?
- senectus1 5y agotrue. I guess the unbridled success of the Crimea still took a little over a month.
- ifkngluvscience 5y ago