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The Ford F-150 Lightning’s extended range battery is currently only being offered as part of a $20k luxury electronics package starting at the XLT trim. The XLT

The Ford F-150 Lightning’s extended range battery is currently only being offered as part of a $20k luxury electronics package starting at the XLT trim. The XLT is itself a mostly cosmetic $10k lighting package. You have to spend 80% over the base price to increase the battery capacity 30%.

Casteil 5y ago
Yep - makes the base model F150 Lightning feel like a 'loss leader'
- deckar01 5y ago
  Until you look at the powertrain and realize it has been simplified by orders of magnitude.
  - wrycoder 5y ago
    Well, it still has rotors, calipers, cv joints, wheel bearings, and tires at each corner. All need frequent service, e.g. 50,000 miles.
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Animats 5y ago
Stellantis is worse. The all-electric Jeep Wrangler is supposed to come out in 2024 priced around $70,000. You have to get the "Rubicon" "trim level", which used to mean differential lockers and a lower low gear, but now includes such things as "biometric owner identification". This kind of thinking is going to result in Chinese electric car manufacturers taking over the industry.
- ok123456 5y ago
  People will shell out insane amounts of money because of the Jeep brand. Clapped out, 10-year-old ones still can get $20k, even if you tried to take it remotely "off-road" it would break in 10 different ways. If people made purely rational decisions when purchasing a car, the only manufactures left would be Toyota and Honda.
  - jlawer 5y ago
    > If people made purely rational decisions when purchasing a car, the only manufactures left would be Toyota and Honda. Not sure if this is different regions or just dated. In Australia now, Honda is a joke. They are overpriced, offer terrible support, etc. Toyota is quality beige, overpriced but reliable, kind of like Sony TVs 15 years ago before Samsung and LG became dominate. Just like with TVs, the Korean companies (Hyundai & Kia) are the smart money brands at least in the Australian Market.
    - ok123456 5y ago
      Kia/Hyundai (they're basically the same company since they own each other) have had a horrible track record in the last few years. They cannot build an engine to save their lives. They scrimped on the quality of the piston rings and other internal components and they ware out very quickly. A Kia with 150k miles is end of life, but a Honda/Toyota with that mileage is basically still being broken in, yet the Honda only has a $2k premium over the Kia.
      - lachstar-x 5y ago
        Don't they use Mitsubishi engines across the board?
        ok123456 5y ago
        They manufacture their own. The design comes from a subsidiary.
  - seanp2k2 5y ago
    and meanwhile, they get bested by old Toyota trucks off road https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9Yy5P6FUes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9Yy5P6FUes Always hilarious when people build $100K+ off-road ridiculous trucks, as unless you're totally loaded and don't care about smashing it up, it's going to get babied off-road or just never see more than a regular camping trip or some gravel. Actual hard-core off-roaders aren't driving super-expensive rigs; they're in crapcan K5 Blazers, Suzuki Samurais, old but built jeeps, tube frame customs, and side-by-sides. $40k in a SxS will get you about what a jeep would for 2x that money. Don't even get me started on the bro dozer poser trucks. Those just exist to intimidate other people on the road, and with bumpers so high and tires + ground clearance that could easily run over something like a Corvette, they shouldn't be allowed on public roads. If only we had real vehicle inspection like some in the EU do.
- avalys 5y ago
  Your credibility is damaged by the fact that Stellantis has not announced any all-electric Jeep Wrangler, certainly not pricing or trim levels, and doesn't offer biometric owner identification on any current or future models either. You seem to be getting upset about a situation that exists only in your (or someone else's) imagination.
  - WillPostForFood 5y ago
    The Jeep Wrangler EV, while staying true to its traditional SUV characteristics, wouldn’t disappoint the modern customers who also take into consideration convenience and tech features. The off-road-focused electric SUV will boast several new-age features teased by Stellantis like Peer-to-Peer Charging, Remote Vehicle Tracking, Biometric Recognition, Jeep Drone Pairing, Jeep Trails, Group Ride, OTA Updates, and AR HUD. No need for the snark. It is not official, and may not end up being accurate, but is what has been reported. https://electricvehicleweb.com/jeep-wrangler-electric-new-details/ https://electricvehicleweb.com/jeep-wrangler-electric-new-de... https://topelectricsuv.com/news/jeep/jeep-wrangler-electric-details/ https://topelectricsuv.com/news/jeep/jeep-wrangler-electric-...
- conradev 5y ago
  Car manufacturers have always done this. Sometimes to a laughable extent – only the top of the line Toyota 4Runner has automatic lights, for example. I’d love for them to not, but I don’t think it’s going to change. Tesla, their primary EV competition, charges for software-only features.
- asdgasdgasdg 5y ago
  I've come the the conclusion that the only electric vehicle I'm likely to own is a custom conversion. I don't drive often, but when I do it's often a rental or car share. I've come to despise anti-privacy features that have become either standard or required on modern vehicles, from built-in connectivity to tpms, cars are getting to be worse than smartphones. I'd absolutely kill for something like the K5 Blazer-E, but without the connectivity likely built into eCrate.
  - LeifCarrotson 5y ago
    Same. I don't need a massive sedan or crossover, or massive range...I commute <10 miles per day, and have 7 family members within 15 miles. Most of my trips are just me, or just me and my son...why is the only electric coupe the Smart Car? What I really want is an EV-swapped Mazda MX5...
    - culopatin 5y ago
      Tesla Miata is something I want to try after I stop moving and buy a house
syshum 5y ago
Most people buying a F-150 for personal use will get at least the XLT trim, XL is fleet mostly. XLT is really the base model for a personal truck. You go up from their to Lariat, King Ranch, etc.
- deckar01 5y ago
  The v6 XLT is priced the same as the base Lightning (Pro).
  - syshum 5y ago
    I would take the lightning over the TubroV6 everyday. I would never buy a Turbo car or truck... but I also would not buy the Lightning today for the same reason. I like to keep my vehicles for a long time. long term reliability of the Turbo V6 is just not there, nor the battery life of the electrics So until then I will stick with naturally aspirated v8's
tonyedgecombe 5y ago
I would assume battery supply is the constraint for most EV manufacturers. It makes sense for them to put the limited supply in expensive vehicles.

Casteil 5y ago

Yep - makes the base model F150 Lightning feel like a 'loss leader'

deckar01 5y ago
Until you look at the powertrain and realize it has been simplified by orders of magnitude.
- wrycoder 5y ago
  Well, it still has rotors, calipers, cv joints, wheel bearings, and tires at each corner. All need frequent service, e.g. 50,000 miles.

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Animats 5y ago

Stellantis is worse. The all-electric Jeep Wrangler is supposed to come out in 2024 priced around $70,000. You have to get the "Rubicon" "trim level", which used to mean differential lockers and a lower low gear, but now includes such things as "biometric owner identification". This kind of thinking is going to result in Chinese electric car manufacturers taking over the industry.

ok123456 5y ago
People will shell out insane amounts of money because of the Jeep brand. Clapped out, 10-year-old ones still can get $20k, even if you tried to take it remotely "off-road" it would break in 10 different ways. If people made purely rational decisions when purchasing a car, the only manufactures left would be Toyota and Honda.
- jlawer 5y ago
  > If people made purely rational decisions when purchasing a car, the only manufactures left would be Toyota and Honda. Not sure if this is different regions or just dated. In Australia now, Honda is a joke. They are overpriced, offer terrible support, etc. Toyota is quality beige, overpriced but reliable, kind of like Sony TVs 15 years ago before Samsung and LG became dominate. Just like with TVs, the Korean companies (Hyundai & Kia) are the smart money brands at least in the Australian Market.
  - ok123456 5y ago
    Kia/Hyundai (they're basically the same company since they own each other) have had a horrible track record in the last few years. They cannot build an engine to save their lives. They scrimped on the quality of the piston rings and other internal components and they ware out very quickly. A Kia with 150k miles is end of life, but a Honda/Toyota with that mileage is basically still being broken in, yet the Honda only has a $2k premium over the Kia.
    - lachstar-x 5y ago
      Don't they use Mitsubishi engines across the board?
      - ok123456 5y ago
        They manufacture their own. The design comes from a subsidiary.
- seanp2k2 5y ago
  and meanwhile, they get bested by old Toyota trucks off road https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9Yy5P6FUes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9Yy5P6FUes Always hilarious when people build $100K+ off-road ridiculous trucks, as unless you're totally loaded and don't care about smashing it up, it's going to get babied off-road or just never see more than a regular camping trip or some gravel. Actual hard-core off-roaders aren't driving super-expensive rigs; they're in crapcan K5 Blazers, Suzuki Samurais, old but built jeeps, tube frame customs, and side-by-sides. $40k in a SxS will get you about what a jeep would for 2x that money. Don't even get me started on the bro dozer poser trucks. Those just exist to intimidate other people on the road, and with bumpers so high and tires + ground clearance that could easily run over something like a Corvette, they shouldn't be allowed on public roads. If only we had real vehicle inspection like some in the EU do.
avalys 5y ago
Your credibility is damaged by the fact that Stellantis has not announced any all-electric Jeep Wrangler, certainly not pricing or trim levels, and doesn't offer biometric owner identification on any current or future models either. You seem to be getting upset about a situation that exists only in your (or someone else's) imagination.
- WillPostForFood 5y ago
  The Jeep Wrangler EV, while staying true to its traditional SUV characteristics, wouldn’t disappoint the modern customers who also take into consideration convenience and tech features. The off-road-focused electric SUV will boast several new-age features teased by Stellantis like Peer-to-Peer Charging, Remote Vehicle Tracking, Biometric Recognition, Jeep Drone Pairing, Jeep Trails, Group Ride, OTA Updates, and AR HUD. No need for the snark. It is not official, and may not end up being accurate, but is what has been reported. https://electricvehicleweb.com/jeep-wrangler-electric-new-details/ https://electricvehicleweb.com/jeep-wrangler-electric-new-de... https://topelectricsuv.com/news/jeep/jeep-wrangler-electric-details/ https://topelectricsuv.com/news/jeep/jeep-wrangler-electric-...
conradev 5y ago
Car manufacturers have always done this. Sometimes to a laughable extent – only the top of the line Toyota 4Runner has automatic lights, for example. I’d love for them to not, but I don’t think it’s going to change. Tesla, their primary EV competition, charges for software-only features.
asdgasdgasdg 5y ago
I've come the the conclusion that the only electric vehicle I'm likely to own is a custom conversion. I don't drive often, but when I do it's often a rental or car share. I've come to despise anti-privacy features that have become either standard or required on modern vehicles, from built-in connectivity to tpms, cars are getting to be worse than smartphones. I'd absolutely kill for something like the K5 Blazer-E, but without the connectivity likely built into eCrate.
- LeifCarrotson 5y ago
  Same. I don't need a massive sedan or crossover, or massive range...I commute <10 miles per day, and have 7 family members within 15 miles. Most of my trips are just me, or just me and my son...why is the only electric coupe the Smart Car? What I really want is an EV-swapped Mazda MX5...
  - culopatin 5y ago
    Tesla Miata is something I want to try after I stop moving and buy a house

syshum 5y ago

Most people buying a F-150 for personal use will get at least the XLT trim, XL is fleet mostly. XLT is really the base model for a personal truck. You go up from their to Lariat, King Ranch, etc.

deckar01 5y ago
The v6 XLT is priced the same as the base Lightning (Pro).
- syshum 5y ago
  I would take the lightning over the TubroV6 everyday. I would never buy a Turbo car or truck... but I also would not buy the Lightning today for the same reason. I like to keep my vehicles for a long time. long term reliability of the Turbo V6 is just not there, nor the battery life of the electrics So until then I will stick with naturally aspirated v8's

tonyedgecombe 5y ago

I would assume battery supply is the constraint for most EV manufacturers. It makes sense for them to put the limited supply in expensive vehicles.