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Russia can’t do combined arms warfare they don’t have good communication lines even on a platoon level and pretty much no cross branch communications. They als

Russia can’t do combined arms warfare they don’t have good communication lines even on a platoon level and pretty much no cross branch communications. They also seem to completely lack modern blue force tracking which is why they still have to rely on recognition stripes it wouldn’t surprise me if the Russians destroyed as much of their own armor as they did Ukrainian. And most importantly they seem to be completely inept at performing SAED something that the US and some of its allies especially Israel seem to have nearly perfected at least when it comes to Russian/Soviet AA. But you are also very much right about the morale problem. This is a surreal exchange between a Ukrainian and Russian soldiers it feels like a scene from a Cohen Brothers movie https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-tank-fuel-russia-kyiv-b2024003.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-tank...

ridiculous_leke 5y ago
That's one weird exchange. It seems that the Russian soldiers weren't expecting the car to be armed. There are also videos where cars are moving past Russian tanks without any confrontation.
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- dogma1138 5y ago
  It’s probably about the same experience as US troops would have if they were ordered to invade Canada. Also they were probably told not to treat the local population as hostile and even if they weren’t it’s usually not the default disposition of people soldiers or not. These guys have no fucking idea where they are or where they are headed or what their mission actually is and they probably can’t even call anyone up the chain of command to get new orders and they don’t seem to even want to do that.
  - w7 5y ago
    There are videos on Twitter of Russian forces seemingly ambushing unarmed civilians who are just driving from point A to B and then using their vehicles as road blocks. Seems like it really depends on what men are behind the guns. Such is war I guess.
    - dogma1138 5y ago
      Many of the videos that you see such as the infamous one where you see a group of armed men pull out the occupants from a car are from 2014 and it isn’t soldiers but militia and it’s unclear which side it even was. It also is very much dependent on the situation these soldiers are stranded and under no threat. If they were mounting a checkpoint which was coming under attack they probably would treat incoming vehicles very differently.
      - w7 5y ago
        No I'm talking about very graphic ones involving dead bodies that clearly tried to crawl away and vehicles riddled with bullets. You're correct though, the fog of war is thick, and it's hard to tell for certain. I hate to use reddit as a source, but here is a group of civilians encountering a roadblock, being shot at, and then managing to escape. This video is not as graphic as the others. https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/t1605y/people_getting_shot_by_russians_while_driving/ https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/t1605y/people_gett... Although I can't say for certain if this recent, but it seems to fit. If someone could for certain debunk this, I'm all ears, but this same location (red truck and cars blocking road) shows up later in other twitter videos with a destroyed Ukrainian convoy and dead civilians.
    - IgorPartola 5y ago
      Why would Russians be setting up roadblocks?
      - retrac 5y ago
        To hinder the movement of Ukrainian forces, I would assume.
  - ochoseis 5y ago
    I believe the relationship between the United Kingdom and the Republic of Ireland provides a better comparison than the US and Canada. While we share strong cultural ties and a border, Canada is not a former subject of the US (despite our best attempts in 1812). These days the UK and Ireland mostly peacefully co-exist, and you can imagine how outrageous it would seem if UK soldiers started marching south from Northern Ireland because the Republic of Ireland refused to align geopolitically or promoted the Irish language.
ClumsyPilot 5y ago
If the troops are being kept in the dark about their location and missing, that would go a long way to explaining the abyssmal performance of the military so far. How are you meant to plan logistics in this situation? Everyone I know in russia declares virtually 0% support for this invasion. You can only hope that this is begining of the end for Putin. However one should be carefull drawing conclusions about total ineptitude of the Russian military - in a different confrontation, for instance defending Crimea, these issues might not apply.
- trhway 5y ago
  >the troops are being kept in the dark about their location considering that that excuse has been practiced at least since 2014, and that the soldiers have smartphones to post selfies, and after watching several of those POW videos with their canned responses, i'm convinced that it is just a trained excuse to get better treatment from Ukrainians when caught. Even any technical aspects aside. I grew up on a USSR Navy base, and we always knew who goes to fight where. And the military convoys always naturally interact with locals on their route, soldiers talk to the locals, exchange fuel for vodka/cigarettes, children come to get onto/into tanks in exchange for some small favors/goodies/etc. And to the commenter below: nobody dismantled road signs on the Russian side on the roads to Ukraine :) Btw, on Ukrainian TV - they are in much better mood today giving their military successes and corresponding Russian failures, i mean they weren't panicked or anything like that yesterday, just seriously somber, it is just today they are really having the blast - they today addressed that overall Russian people habit of playing a powerless victim of circumstances : "Next time you'd think twice about whom to choose President." (Other quotes from Ukrainian TV today - "We Christened Russia, and we're going to give it the last rites.", "To see Kiev and die. Looks like you're insisting on doing it in that your own peculiar way - well, be my guest.") And to another commenter below: >conscripts calling families telling that they are forced to sign contracts (in military operation can participate only contractors) so, they forced you to signed contract because that is the only way you can participate in military operation and are sending you on "exercises" with full battle ready hardware somewhere close to Ukraine when there is escalation in the air/news. Days later you're driving through Ukrainian villages with clear orders to shoot on Ukrainian tanks and soldiers first and like have no idea where you are and why you're there :)
myth_drannon 5y ago
I think I saw comments that's a fake with an overlaid audio. In the end he starts driving while continuing talking so dunno about that. If it's real, it really can fuck up your mind that your enemy that you are supposed to fight are so similar to you. One thing is to patrol a street full of "Muslim terrorists" thousand miles away from home and another is having a casual chat with a dude you could have been drinking vodka last weekend.
- dogma1138 5y ago
  There are plenty of videos that show similar interactions. The cultural or indoctrination elements don’t exist here like they might do in the Middle East, there is no hate heck there probably is no real animosity either unless they are forced to engage in combat they have no reason to be hostile. Hostility due to hate has to pre-exist or has to be built over time. Nationalism aside they are as close to being one people at this point as you can get, you’ll find it very hard to find a Ukrainian family without Russian relatives and vise versa due to the legacy of the USSR. Basically if a bunch of marines would be deployed and told to take Toronto would get stuck on the way they’ll probably opt to head to the nearest tim hortons too. And unless they come in guns blazing I don’t think the local population would try to feed them through a wood chipper…
- baybal2 5y ago
  That psychological aversion to genocidal murder cerainly doesn't spread to Russian general staff. They are continuing bombing the Kiyv dam.

ridiculous_leke 5y ago

That's one weird exchange. It seems that the Russian soldiers weren't expecting the car to be armed. There are also videos where cars are moving past Russian tanks without any confrontation.

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dogma1138 5y ago
It’s probably about the same experience as US troops would have if they were ordered to invade Canada. Also they were probably told not to treat the local population as hostile and even if they weren’t it’s usually not the default disposition of people soldiers or not. These guys have no fucking idea where they are or where they are headed or what their mission actually is and they probably can’t even call anyone up the chain of command to get new orders and they don’t seem to even want to do that.
- w7 5y ago
  There are videos on Twitter of Russian forces seemingly ambushing unarmed civilians who are just driving from point A to B and then using their vehicles as road blocks. Seems like it really depends on what men are behind the guns. Such is war I guess.
  - dogma1138 5y ago
    Many of the videos that you see such as the infamous one where you see a group of armed men pull out the occupants from a car are from 2014 and it isn’t soldiers but militia and it’s unclear which side it even was. It also is very much dependent on the situation these soldiers are stranded and under no threat. If they were mounting a checkpoint which was coming under attack they probably would treat incoming vehicles very differently.
    - w7 5y ago
      No I'm talking about very graphic ones involving dead bodies that clearly tried to crawl away and vehicles riddled with bullets. You're correct though, the fog of war is thick, and it's hard to tell for certain. I hate to use reddit as a source, but here is a group of civilians encountering a roadblock, being shot at, and then managing to escape. This video is not as graphic as the others. https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/t1605y/people_getting_shot_by_russians_while_driving/ https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/t1605y/people_gett... Although I can't say for certain if this recent, but it seems to fit. If someone could for certain debunk this, I'm all ears, but this same location (red truck and cars blocking road) shows up later in other twitter videos with a destroyed Ukrainian convoy and dead civilians.
  - IgorPartola 5y ago
    Why would Russians be setting up roadblocks?
    - retrac 5y ago
      To hinder the movement of Ukrainian forces, I would assume.
- ochoseis 5y ago
  I believe the relationship between the United Kingdom and the Republic of Ireland provides a better comparison than the US and Canada. While we share strong cultural ties and a border, Canada is not a former subject of the US (despite our best attempts in 1812). These days the UK and Ireland mostly peacefully co-exist, and you can imagine how outrageous it would seem if UK soldiers started marching south from Northern Ireland because the Republic of Ireland refused to align geopolitically or promoted the Irish language.

ClumsyPilot 5y ago

If the troops are being kept in the dark about their location and missing, that would go a long way to explaining the abyssmal performance of the military so far. How are you meant to plan logistics in this situation? Everyone I know in russia declares virtually 0% support for this invasion. You can only hope that this is begining of the end for Putin. However one should be carefull drawing conclusions about total ineptitude of the Russian military - in a different confrontation, for instance defending Crimea, these issues might not apply.

trhway 5y ago
>the troops are being kept in the dark about their location considering that that excuse has been practiced at least since 2014, and that the soldiers have smartphones to post selfies, and after watching several of those POW videos with their canned responses, i'm convinced that it is just a trained excuse to get better treatment from Ukrainians when caught. Even any technical aspects aside. I grew up on a USSR Navy base, and we always knew who goes to fight where. And the military convoys always naturally interact with locals on their route, soldiers talk to the locals, exchange fuel for vodka/cigarettes, children come to get onto/into tanks in exchange for some small favors/goodies/etc. And to the commenter below: nobody dismantled road signs on the Russian side on the roads to Ukraine :) Btw, on Ukrainian TV - they are in much better mood today giving their military successes and corresponding Russian failures, i mean they weren't panicked or anything like that yesterday, just seriously somber, it is just today they are really having the blast - they today addressed that overall Russian people habit of playing a powerless victim of circumstances : "Next time you'd think twice about whom to choose President." (Other quotes from Ukrainian TV today - "We Christened Russia, and we're going to give it the last rites.", "To see Kiev and die. Looks like you're insisting on doing it in that your own peculiar way - well, be my guest.") And to another commenter below: >conscripts calling families telling that they are forced to sign contracts (in military operation can participate only contractors) so, they forced you to signed contract because that is the only way you can participate in military operation and are sending you on "exercises" with full battle ready hardware somewhere close to Ukraine when there is escalation in the air/news. Days later you're driving through Ukrainian villages with clear orders to shoot on Ukrainian tanks and soldiers first and like have no idea where you are and why you're there :)

myth_drannon 5y ago

I think I saw comments that's a fake with an overlaid audio. In the end he starts driving while continuing talking so dunno about that. If it's real, it really can fuck up your mind that your enemy that you are supposed to fight are so similar to you. One thing is to patrol a street full of "Muslim terrorists" thousand miles away from home and another is having a casual chat with a dude you could have been drinking vodka last weekend.

dogma1138 5y ago
There are plenty of videos that show similar interactions. The cultural or indoctrination elements don’t exist here like they might do in the Middle East, there is no hate heck there probably is no real animosity either unless they are forced to engage in combat they have no reason to be hostile. Hostility due to hate has to pre-exist or has to be built over time. Nationalism aside they are as close to being one people at this point as you can get, you’ll find it very hard to find a Ukrainian family without Russian relatives and vise versa due to the legacy of the USSR. Basically if a bunch of marines would be deployed and told to take Toronto would get stuck on the way they’ll probably opt to head to the nearest tim hortons too. And unless they come in guns blazing I don’t think the local population would try to feed them through a wood chipper…
baybal2 5y ago
That psychological aversion to genocidal murder cerainly doesn't spread to Russian general staff. They are continuing bombing the Kiyv dam.