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We famously tried policies of appeasement for dictators in Europe looking to expand their borders in the past, without success.

by 542458 5y ago

password54321 5y ago
This keeps being thrown out but it doesn't change the fact that we are provoking a massive nuclear threat at the moment.
- lossolo 5y ago
  There will be no massive nuclear attack of any kind. War is just an extension to politics, it has its goals. Everyone around Putin knows about MAD and have their own families, no one will sacrifice them to altar of Putin, he will be removed before anything like that happens. Your fear is exactly what he wants, this is his goal, to paralyze the west in fear so he can take country by country in upcoming years. The only language he understands is force and strength, he will take how much you will give him until you say no more.
Scarblac 5y ago
That was before nuclear weapons though.
- Victerius 5y ago
  The fact that dictatorships have nuclear weapons doesn't change the fact that their ambitions must be resisted, at the cost of war if necessary. The West has called Putin's bluff, and will continue to do so in the future. If Russia wants to start a nuclear war, that will be on them.
- 542458 5y ago
  That they have nuclear weapons changes little. The point is that men like this cannot be appeased. What does Putin want for? He’s one of the wealthiest and most powerful men on the planet. Yet he’s still seeking more wealth and power, and has demonstrated that he’s willing to use extreme force to get it. It’s not a rational drive. Putin could have resigned and lived in utmost luxury until the day he dies but instead he chooses a high risk pursuit of power for power’s sake. There’s no halting point here, no obvious point where he would decide he had “enough” power. Why would he be satisfied with Ukraine? With that in mind, unless you are prepared to give him everything: it is a question of how, not if, he must be resisted.

We famously tried policies of appeasement for dictators in Europe looking to expand their borders in the past, without success.

by 542458 5y ago

We famously tried policies of appeasement for dictators in Europe looking to expand their borders in the past, without success.

password54321 5y ago

This keeps being thrown out but it doesn't change the fact that we are provoking a massive nuclear threat at the moment.

lossolo 5y ago
There will be no massive nuclear attack of any kind. War is just an extension to politics, it has its goals. Everyone around Putin knows about MAD and have their own families, no one will sacrifice them to altar of Putin, he will be removed before anything like that happens. Your fear is exactly what he wants, this is his goal, to paralyze the west in fear so he can take country by country in upcoming years. The only language he understands is force and strength, he will take how much you will give him until you say no more.

Scarblac 5y ago

That was before nuclear weapons though.

Victerius 5y ago
The fact that dictatorships have nuclear weapons doesn't change the fact that their ambitions must be resisted, at the cost of war if necessary. The West has called Putin's bluff, and will continue to do so in the future. If Russia wants to start a nuclear war, that will be on them.
542458 5y ago
That they have nuclear weapons changes little. The point is that men like this cannot be appeased. What does Putin want for? He’s one of the wealthiest and most powerful men on the planet. Yet he’s still seeking more wealth and power, and has demonstrated that he’s willing to use extreme force to get it. It’s not a rational drive. Putin could have resigned and lived in utmost luxury until the day he dies but instead he chooses a high risk pursuit of power for power’s sake. There’s no halting point here, no obvious point where he would decide he had “enough” power. Why would he be satisfied with Ukraine? With that in mind, unless you are prepared to give him everything: it is a question of how, not if, he must be resisted.