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Mark Zuckerberg on the Lex Fridman Podcast [video]
- redmen 5y agohttps://www.reddit.com/r/thefighterandthekid/comments/o3zpt9/realizing_lex_fridman_is_a_clown/ https://www.reddit.com/r/thefighterandthekid/comments/o3zpt9...
- _v8ex 5y ago[dead]
- hombre_fatal 5y agoLinking to someone else on the internet saying "I don't like this" isn't all that interesting. For one, we already do that here.
- epgui 5y agoThe problem I have with this is that both the reddit post, and all or most of the comments, all seem to levy non-specific criticism against Lex. Non-specific criticism is not helpful, and it borders on the ad hominem. I'd be much more interested in seeing debate and discussion of specific ideas.
- nest0r 5y agoThe first 30 minutes are exhausting corp speech it’s like Facebook is his only character trait.
- hs5 5y ago
- gitfan86 5y agoHe does represent the risk of AGI. If you make the an AI program your CEO and tell it to maximize profits, it will make more facebooks.
- throwawayboise 5y agoWell it is all he's ever done.
- aestetix 5y agoDoes it stop being like that? I turned it off and stopped watching because I got tired of hearing about how great the "metaverse" will be.
- iply 5y agoIt does later on. A lot of it still touches fb/meta, but I found the chapters about "advice for young people" and "the meaning of life" to be quite interesting. It's a side of him that you don't really see anywhere else or think about. I'd recommend the watch.
- EschatonCometh 5y agoOne robot interviews another. Who will pass the Turing Test? Lex has access like no other. Such a great interviewer.
- robbedpeter 5y agoI'm wondering if he's somehow going to get Putin to sit down and talk. If anyone could, it seems to be Lex Fridman. Zelensky seems more likely.
- qiskit 5y agoWouldn't surprise me if he had God on his podcast one day. I understand why people go on JRE, it's a huge platform. What's surprising is the quality of guests Fridman gets on his podcast, even when the podcast was relatively small. Who is this guy?
- invisiblerobot 5y agoIt's not surprising once you watch
- jerojero 5y agoI think he was at MIT working on AI stuff? So lots of connections from there.
- seaman1921 5y agosame top commment on reddit, youtube and hacker-news - internet is pathetic
- financetechbro 5y agoIt’s almost as if humans think similar things n unique thoughts really aren’t as unique. Hmmmm
- seaman1921 5y ago
- kaesar14 5y agoIt sucks that the Lex podcast has maybe the best guests of any podcast out there right now and he's such a terrible interviewer. Seriously, give me this guest list with Rogan on the other side any day of the week.
- optimalsolver 5y agoI'm also curious how Lex managed the get the calibre of guests he did right off the bat. I understand he was some kind of MIT whizkid, but I don't know much about him beyond that.
- hollerith 5y ago"Right off the bat"? He started uploading interviews to Youtube 7 years ago: https://www.youtube.com/c/lexfridman/videos?view=0&sort=da&flow=grid https://www.youtube.com/c/lexfridman/videos?view=0&sort=da&f...
- ok123456 5y agoAll his degrees are from Drexel University. He goes to lengths to hide, or at least obfuscate, that fact. Source: went to school with him.
- hollerith 5y agoThen he got a postdoc at MIT.
- ok123456 5y agoyou don't 'get a postdoc'. It's not a degree. It's a job you get that requires a PhD. It's a form a purgatory until you can get a real academic job. The goal of a post doc is to continue to do research work where you're the first position on publications to pad your CV to the point where it looks impressive enough when you're out giving job talks for tenure track positions. If you have a very strong PhD thesis, produced a lot of good work during your PhD and made enough connections, you can skip that step.
- redmen 5y ago
- gjvc 5y ago...and spends all his time saying he's "spreading love" and telling people how humble he is as his main selling points. It's like a race to the bottom of virtue signalling. And I cannot stand the self-indulgent vocal fry.
- 0xbadc0de5 5y agoI laughed when Lex's first move was to ask Mark to complete a hardcopy CAPTCHA ("Please circle all the traffic lights"). Kudos to Mark for playing along. Having not had an opportunity to hear Mark Zuckerberg speak in a (fairly) candid manner before now, I appreciate Lex's effort to get this out there.
- infogulch 5y ago"Very impressive performance. Now we can initiate the interview procedure."
- 0xbadc0de5 5y agoOne thing that did stick out was when they both acknowledged the interview was scheduled for 5-6 hours. One wonders how much revealing conversation didn't make it past the lawyers' approval.
- extheat 5y agoPretty sure that was a joke. His podcasts are usually ~2 hours in length.
- arisAlexis 5y agoUncut
- jarlab 5y agoHow does he even get all these people to come on his podcast?
- redmen 5y agoJoe Rogan's fame. And Eric Weinstein before Eric went crazy
- asguy 5y agoIf you think Eric went crazy, he went crazy a long time before you heard of him. He's been pretty consistent.
- newsbinator 5y agoThis is interesting. There was a time when I became aware of Eric Weinstein via Joe Rogan and Eric seemed to be pointing to things I'd recognized and couldn't name, and other things I hadn't recognized but could see when he pointed them out to me. It felt enlightening: here's a concealed underlying pattern that I have now unconcealed for you. Then after that, and after starting his own podcast, and after coming out with his own Theory of Everything ("Geometric Unity"), things shifted: Eric refused to publish a paper or proofs that could be scrutinized, what he did publish was labeled by professionals as "not even wrong" (i.e. not cogent enough to dispute), he insisted he taught himself guitar during lockdown (when he had been playing for years before), etc. It felt like two different versions of someone: one you could trust was forthright (whether right or wrong about something), and another who would say things he knows aren't true out of ego/vanity or... out of something? But something to benefit Eric, not something to benefit the audience. This felt like a shift to me.
- spaetzleesser 5y agoI always wonder if the Weinstein brothers can even be in the same room. Seems their egos may be too big to be together in an enclosed space.
- TrapLord_Rhodo 5y agoWow! He said he's going to interview putin! that made my heart skip.... Fuck zuck, i wanna watch that one.
- taylorius 5y agoYeah, that one might get pushed back a bit...
- ed_balls 5y agoI'm afraid if Russia lose the war, Putin may not be available.
- tartoran 5y agoI like Lex but his awe for Putin turns me off big time, Putin is intelligent (to leverage and maintain power), no doubt, but he’s a thug after all, a thug who became one of the world’s richest men by embezzlement pretty much.
- Hokusai 5y ago> Putin is intelligent, no doubt Russia was a super power with some of the best engineers in the world. Today it needs to use war to keep another Slav country on its side. Even the UK keeps the commonwealth in place even with very diverse countries that used to be forced colonies. To not have a conscience does not make you intelligent. Russia should be economically and socially way more developed that it currently is. To sell gas is not high tech.
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- trts 5y agoIf you listen to a lot of his podcasts, this is actually his way of willing the circumstance into being, or that's been my interpretation. He used to talk about it as something he aspires to, but more recently has been referencing as something like an inevitable intersection along his trajectory.
- LinuxBender 5y agoI can see value in the future of VR/AR but I am curious about a few things. - Will there be a balance of open source self hosted VR/AR solutions or will Meta dominate all of this? Along that line do any of the hardware developers provide unrestricted open source SDK's that are easy for developers to integrate into their software? - Will everyone have to be tied into Meta and tracked around everything they do and Meta tracking everything that everyone looks at with transcripts of every conversation everyone has? - How will companies incentivize all people to adopt this? Will this be dominated by introverts? Will I see the same variety of personality types in VR that I see in real life? I ask because VRChat is dominated by a specific sub-set of personality types or at least that was my experience.
- ozten 5y agoKent Bye and others are doing great work around building an XR Ethics framework [1] XR will soon not only include eye tracking, but full brain computer interfaces with very rich data on how you are reacting to stimuli. [2] If you think only gamers will strap a box to their head, XR includes augmented reality such as more socially acceptable lightweight glasses. Facebook is working with Ray Ban sunglasses to avoid the Google Glass social rejection factor. Another Facebook / Cambridge Analytica level manipulation of population could be so much more effective and wide spread. It will be very hard for us to detect how our decisions are being influenced. Wild stuff! [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jrdqp8zHdAU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jrdqp8zHdAU [2] https://www.roadtovr.com/valve-brain-computer-interfaces-vr-ar-gdc-2019/ https://www.roadtovr.com/valve-brain-computer-interfaces-vr-...
- KaiserPro 5y ago> XR will soon not only include eye tracking, but full brain computer interfaces with very rich data on how you are reacting to stimuli. [2] VR and AR will have eye tracking in the next generation of headsets. However at the moment unless its trained to your eyes, its pretty inaccurate >5degrees off. Brain computer interfaces, are a way off. Yes there are ecg style hairnets, but we've not managed to generalise that yet. (we know this because Musk has confidently predicted a timeline for his BCI endeavour.) But that isn't the major risk here. We know that glasses need to be light, and not look stupid. This means that we need to optimise to the point of insanity how we manage power. This basically means that its impossible to jump out to the cloud and have battery life. The power budget for an all day wearable is something like 2.5wh So the risk of facebook listening in to all things is pretty small. especially given that they really don't have the compute capacity to manage it. This leads me to my point, AR will be local only for most things. but it will have things like build in "friend/object finder" and precise always on mm accurate location services. (its the only way to make AR content workable) The privacy problem comes in when people start to realise that they can make apps for these glasses that access the camera, A network of cameras that have ultra precise global pose (that is lat, lon, height and roll pitch and yaw of the camera) with inbuilt face detection, you'll have a pretty great stalking network. Now, so far so logical. Where it gets fun is here, if we allow open source, unrestricted access to hardware, it means that people can build and distribute these apps with little friction. Our present society cannot handle this. I do don't know what the answer is. AR has great potential for helping people. But I suspect its going to be a total shitshow. Do I think it'll be a shitshow because Facebook make it? no, I think Facebook will have to make the _most_ secure/privacy respecting system and prove it just to be taken seriously. Its the Apple/startup version I worry about. AR and privacy don't really mix. Butu we are going to kid ourselves that this isnt true for many years.
- Ecstatify 5y agohttps://twitter.com/lexfridman/status/1496906468695724036 https://twitter.com/lexfridman/status/1496906468695724036 I’m not sure if he’s extremely naive or completely delusional.
- dmarcos 5y agoHe mentioned in the past several times he had the connections with Putin entourage. In current situation I imagine It will be really hard to pull off but who knows.
- hammock 5y agoIf you are very familiar with his podcasts you know it's the former. Naive genius is kind of his niche
- shimonabi 5y ago
- atlantas 5y agoWhy do you say that? He managed to get Elon Musk and other heavy hitters on before hardly anyone was aware of who Lex was. Whose to say what the limits are.
- Ecstatify 5y agoWhy would Putin talk to some random guy in the middle of the Ukraine war?
- ausbah 5y agodude has a wonderful habit of blocking anyone he deems remotely "negative" on Twitter
- buzzdenver 5y agoVery interesting. I've never interacted with him on social media, but have experienced people who were spreading the "we know less than we think and let's be humble" vibe be very quick to block when commenting something not 100% laudatory.
- 323 5y agoFYI: Lex Fridman mentioned on multiple podcasts how much he admires Putin, and how one of his life goals is to interview him. Which apparently will happen soon. He also didn't condemn the invasion, just basically said that "war is bad", as if both sides are equally to blame.
- hollerith 5y ago>Lex Fridman mentioned on multiple podcasts how much he admires Putin I think that is a distortion of Lex's opinions.
- epgui 5y agoCompletely.
- briane80 5y agoOH no!
- sva_ 5y agoI like Lex, but I dont understand why he has such a hard-on for dictators. I suppose he believes in the goodness of people.
- muh_gradle 5y agoAdmiration for Putin is frankly despicable.
- curiousgal 5y agoWhy him specifically? People admire Trump and Obama and they have both sanctioned drone strikes that killed civilians too.
- muh_gradle 5y agoHow naive to assume that there is even remotely a comparison. Get back to me when journalists and activists are assassinated
- elcapitan 5y agoI thought he wanted to interview Putin on the topic of how technology is going to make the world a place of love and understanding.
- LCDR 5y agoIs there any video player which allow to blur some parts of the video in real time (I don't want go through editing). One hour is way too much for me (yes, 2x for me) and I'd still like to see Lex's reactions?
- hammock 5y agoYouTube has chapters that you can skip to
- jazzyjackson 5y agoWhat do you mean blur? If you’re watching in a web browser you can always open an inspector and add a css rule to the video player “filter: blur(2px)” but I feel like that’s not what you’re asking :)
- syspec 5y agoIt's easy to poke fun at Mark because he's mega rich and can come off a little stiff, but he's pretty interesting to listen when he's speaking without a script. Here's Mark when he was 21 giving a lecture at Harvard's CS50: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFFs9UgOAlE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFFs9UgOAlE
- capableweb 5y agoIt's also possible for be interesting at one point in their life, and as the world around them changes together with their own mind changes, they fall into the category of not being interesting anymore. Or, similarly to many crazy world leaders, they can become "interesting" in the sense of how evil and crazy they sound when they talk about their ideas.
- syspec 5y agoThat's a good point, people can definitely become uninteresting. I'd say he's still interesting, but more guarded which is uninteresting... If that makes sense
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 5y agoI like Mark but I don't personally use any Meta products.
- andy_ppp 5y agoIs that because meta products use you?
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 5y agoHow so?
- parenthesis 5y ago(With apologies to Noël Coward) Facebook is for investing in, not being on.
- curiousgeorgio 5y agoBest part of the interview was when Mark asked Lex what he'd do if he were in Facebook's position of dealing with misinformation and free speech. _________________________________________ Mark: I mean, well, how would you handle this if you were in my position? Lex: It's very, very, very, very difficult. I would more speak about how difficult the choices are and be transparent about what the hell do you do with this? Ask the exact question you just asked me, but to the broader public. Like okay, yeah, you guys tell me what to do. So crowdsource it. And then the other aspect is when you spoke really eloquently about the fact that there's this going back and forth, and now there's a feeling like you're censoring a little bit too much. I would try to be ahead of that feeling. I would now lean towards freedom of speech and say "we are not the ones that are going to define misinformation." Let it be a public debate. Let the ideas stand. And I actually place the responsibility on the poor communication skills of scientists. They should be in the battlefield of ideas, and everybody who is spreading information against the vaccine - they should not be censored. They should be talked with, and you should show the data. You should have open discussion, as opposed to rolling your eyes and saying "I'm the expert. I know what I'm talking about." No, you need to convince people. It's a battle of ideas. So that's the whole point of freedom of speech. It's the way to defeat ideas - is with good ideas, with speech. So the responsibility here falls on the poor communication skills of scientists. Thanks to social media (scientists are not communicators), they have the power to communicate. Some of the best stuff I've seen about COVID from doctors is on social media. It's a way to learn, to respond really quickly, to go faster than the peer review process. And so they just need to get way better at that communication. And also by better, I don't mean just convincing. I also mean speak with humility. Don't talk down to people. All those kinds of things. And as a platform, I would step back a little bit, not all the way of course, because there's a lot of stuff that can cause real harm as we talked about, but you lean more towards freedom speech, because then people - from a brand perspective - wouldn't be blaming you for the other ills of society, which there are many. The institutions have flaws. The political divide, obviously - politicians have flaws, that's news. The media has flaws that they're all trying to work with. And because of the central place of Facebook in the world, all of those flaws somehow kind of propagate to Facebook, and you're sitting there, as Plato the philosopher, have to answer to some of the most difficult questions being asked of human civilization. So I don't know, maybe this is an American answer though, to lean towards freedom of speech.
- TeeMassive 5y agoSo if I take the time to watch this am I in for a two hours of generic feel-good "avoid the subject-matter" non-answers?
- alexashka 5y agoYes.
- Evan_Hellmuth 5y agoI’m stoked for VR to gain more adoption so I can hang with my friends who live across the country. That’s the killer app for me - a platform that all my friends use so we can have spontaneous casual hang outs!
- gcr 5y agothat's a great idea! let's call it something simple, like just "Hangouts" Then to solve adoption, let's make it a website so people can visit it without installing anything! And maybe if it could be spearheaded by a large company like Google, that'd be even better! Personally I'd love a service where I could drop in and out of one of these "Google Hangouts" throughout the day, maybe even made accessible by removing the complexity of VR, seeing my friends' cameras would be good enough for me :)
- erulabs 5y agoThe internet is stupid because writing letters is perfectly good. The metaverse might be boring but it’s not nearly as boring as those who can’t use their imagination even a little. I know it’s bad form to reply to snark with snark but I can’t help myself. If there was no market for this in the age of video chat - why do people still fly anywhere? Why am I excited when my friends come to town?
- Evan_Hellmuth 5y agoUnfortunately this is not how Google hangouts works! No one hangs out there, you have to schedule a call. There needs to be a reason to hang out. Maybe I’m playing a game or watching sports front row or working on my golf swing in VR, then I see a friend come online and voila we link up!
- silisili 5y agoHaving finally watched the whole thing, just writing some thoughts below...for those who maybe didn't or can't watch. 1 - Zuck really, really is all in on the metaverse thing. I was never sure if it was his idea, or he sees a trend, etc, but now I'm convinced it's all his idea. I find it odd but interesting someone with essentially unlimited real life resources seeks such escape. 1.5 - I think he also overestimates its success. He pretty much sees everyone using it for work, gaming, friend interactions, etc. I just can't see it being so ubiquitous. Also saying people will spend as much on virtual clothes as real clothes feels offbase, but maybe I'm wrong. 2 - I was a little frustrated because he seemed so... unemotional. Being asked about bullying, suicides... most things that would make people stop, think, or even choke up...Zuck just started into his spiels never really answering the questions well. Unsure if it's perhaps just because he's been asked so many times he has it loaded. Seems very inauthentic. 3 - The negative sum thing was interesting. He basically said any choice they make lowers people's opinions on FB, because the side that agrees just thinks 'about time' or 'at least they didn't screw this one up', whereas the side that disagrees gets angry. May sound basic to some, but I never really considered it before. 4 - It was nice to see Zuck -finally- show emotion toward the end, talking about family time and death. A side of him I don't think many people have ever seen. For the first time, he actually looked pensive and even perhaps distraught before answering. Though I did kinda laugh when he said it's weird he used to care about his company most before he had a family, but now it's probably his family. Something so obvious being presented as an aha moment felt...weird.
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- bleachedsleet 5y ago> I think he also overestimates its success. He pretty much sees everyone using it for work, gaming, friend interactions, etc. I just can't see it being so ubiquitous. “There's no chance that the iPhone is going to get any significant market share. No chance.” - Steve Ballmer 2007 [1] [1] https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2007/04/ballmer-says-iphone-has-no-chance-to-gain-significant-market-share/ https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2007/04/ballm...
- chrismsimpson 5y agoHow has this not been flagged as Russian propaganda?
- htk 5y agoInteresting interview. I can’t help but correlate the timing with such a drop in Meta’s stock price.