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> When the talking heads went from "the vaccines are rushed for political reasons" before the election, to "the vaccines are super effective, lets mandate their
by HWR_14 5y ago
> When the talking heads went from "the vaccines are rushed for political reasons" before the election, to "the vaccines are super effective, lets mandate their use"
That never happened. There were worries before the vaccine was released that it would be rushed for political reasons. That went away long before the election.
> Changing the definitions of "vaccination" and "vaccine effectiveness"
That never happened. Some right-wing "news" people said that they did. But they were paraphrasing and (mis)interpreting what people were saying specifically to pretend they were shifting definitions.
(I used never, when I mean "no significant instances". I'm sure some random talking head in a third-tier market or maybe even an isolated case of someone with a national microphone said something dumb.)
- systemvoltage 5y agoThere is a video of Kamala Harris declining to get a vaccine if it is developed under Trump administration. I’ll try to find it in a bit. Good morning folks! Edit: Actually she said she would take it if doctors say so, but not if Trump tells her to get one: https://youtu.be/-dAjCeMuXR0 https://youtu.be/-dAjCeMuXR0
- HWR_14 5y agoThanks for adding your edit. Yes, she (and others) said they didn't trust Trump's word alone on a vaccine. The CDC and independent agencies (including from other countries) came out with a positive review of the vaccine before the election.
- mindslight 5y agoIt's not partisan to think that the brazen conman in the White House might undermine our traditional public health institutions to try and make himself look good, as was in line with the rest of his behavior. We can "both sides" all day long, and as a libertarian I in fact often do. But there are many topics where Trump irrefutably harmed our society to stroke his own ego, in a way that a status quo politician would not have.
- systemvoltage 5y agoDefinitely, but she did literally politicize it. She could have left it at "I'll take it up on doctor's recommendation", but she didn't.
- mindslight 5y agoFrom my perspective, Harris was echoing what was already widespread common sense. Trump had four years of undermining longstanding American institutions (the "deep state"), which had just culminated in his fully committing to nonsensical covid denial [0]. Having an irrational autocrat at the helm destroys public trust, because in addition to the everpresent worry of nonpartisan political motives (eg approve this vaccine so some company can make money), we have to worry about more direct partisan political motives (eg approve this vaccine to make me look good). [0] Still trying to give him the benefit of the doubt, I personally thought Trump was going to come around to reality by June 2020. Doing so would have made him a shoe-in for a second term.
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- dekhn 5y agoit was dumb of her to say that
- h2odragon 5y agoAug 2021: https://web.archive.org/web/20210826113846/https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/imz-basics.htm https://web.archive.org/web/20210826113846/https://www.cdc.g... > Vaccine: A product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease, protecting the person from that disease. Jan 19th, 2022 (when i last looked it up): https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/imz-basics.htm https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/imz-basics.htm Vaccine: A preparation that is used to stimulate the body’s immune response against diseases.
- ZeroGravitas 5y agoThe page says when it was last updated, the first one was updated in 16th May 2018, the second one in 1st September 2021. What are you suggesting happened between these two dates to prompt a change? In your first comment you talk about before and after the election, which was November 2021.