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The population of Ukraine is 40 million. The Russian invasion force is 200,000. If every Ukrainian had a gun and instructions for a Molotov Cocktail, Ukraine
by blip54321 5y ago
The population of Ukraine is 40 million.
The Russian invasion force is 200,000.
If every Ukrainian had a gun and instructions for a Molotov Cocktail, Ukraine would be unconquerable without general genocide.
I'm not sure how close they'll get, but that's what the Ukrainian leadership is aiming for.
- rich_sasha 5y agoIt’s worth bringing up the case of the Chechen war, where Russia eventually prevailed, but at enormous human cost of to all sides and, as usual, civilians.
- rosndo 5y ago“prevailed”
- XorNot 5y agoOf course a country without infrastructure or cities is pretty much as valuable as not having conquered it at all. Though literally nothing about this war makes a lick of strategic sense for Russia.
- DyslexicAtheist 5y ago> Though literally nothing about this war makes a lick of strategic sense for Russia. see "Natural gas transmission system of Ukraine" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_gas_transmission_system_of_Ukraine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_gas_transmission_syste... the discussion about Norstream2 and to a lesser extent NATO membership: Since Russia is an oligarchy its "sense" is defined by Putin's ego such as "reuniting Russia" again as it was and ruling it as its Tsar.
- marcus_cemes 5y agoI think that their leaders should sit down and negotiate, rather than stick weapons in the hands of ordinary people and deter Russia with the threat of causing genocide. Nobody wins in that scenario, unless Russia backs down which seems unlikely at this point in time. Dialogue is the way forward, not improvised video game weapons.
- XorNot 5y agoNegotiate what exactly? It's a war of aggression.
- s1artibartfast 5y agoPutin articulated his ultimatums for Kyiv: Recognize Crimea as Russian - Rejection of NATO accession - No weapons supplies from the West - LNR and DNR gain territory that the regions had pre 2014
- XorNot 5y agoOr, and this might be a wild idea, Russia could mind it's own god damn business in it's own god damn territory seeing as how 50% of that list is "respect our previous wars of aggression against your territory" and "don't join alliances which would've prevented our wars of aggression against your territory". But the internet is rife with Russian shills at every turn right now.
- s1artibartfast 5y agoI'm sure the internet is rife with Russian shills, but there are also a number of non-interventionists who don't want to get whipped up into a war frenzy and get involved another foreign war. I wish Russia and NATO/US could agree to a basic Neutrality and non-intervention treaty for Georgia and Ukraine.
- XorNot 5y agoWell golly gee, I guess the last 20 years of Ukraine not being in NATO was just too much of a risk. Nothing says "don't try and join NATO" like ongoingly and continually trying to invade and conquer a country because they're not a member of NATO.
- UltraViolence 5y agoI was somewhat surprised that the State Dept. claimed that Russia was willing to inflict mass casualties on the Ukrainian population. I assume they've discovered through espionage that Russia intends to unleash nuclear, chemical or biological warfare on the Ukrainians.
- throwoutway 5y agoThat’s an improper assumption. You can do a lot of harm with regular explosives
- UltraViolence 5y agoGiven enough time, yes. But I'm pretty sure Putin doesn't have the luxury of this war lasting too long. He'll want to force his adversaries on their knees within a week and considering the snail's pace at which the Russian military are gaining ground that doesn't seem likely.
- einarfd 5y agoYou can inflict mass casualities with convential means, case in point, the Dresden bombing (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Dresden_in_World_War_II https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Dresden_in_World_Wa...), in the second world war.
- blip54321 5y agoOr starvation. Again. Russia killed 3.5 million Ukrainians that way, likely within the lifetime of your grandparents.
- alexpi 5y agoI am developer from Lviv, Ukraine. I already prepared molotov cocktails. Ukraine is united as never before. Lot of people donate big amounts of money, buy necessary goods for army, everyone is very supportive, everyone knows what to do. There is no single pro-russian people there. Every citizen will fight for our land, because truth is on our side, and it become obvious to the whole world.
- curtisblaine 5y agoWe stand with you.
- agumonkey 5y agoDo you know a paypal compatible donation link I could use ? (the few I tried had technical difficulties)
- risyachka 5y agoYou can do Swift transfer to the official national bank of Ukraine account to support army https://bank.gov.ua/en/news/all/natsionalniy-bank-vidkriv-spetsrahunok-dlya-zboru-koshtiv-na-potrebi-armiyi https://bank.gov.ua/en/news/all/natsionalniy-bank-vidkriv-sp...
- curtisblaine 5y agoThanks, that's very useful. I will disseminate that link wherever I can.
- nine_zeros 5y agoWe stand with you.
- rocqua 5y agoMy minor googling suggest molotov cocktails won't do much against modern tanks except worry the crew. Probably best to leave the real tanks alone and focus on smaller vehicles. Edit: unless the hatch of the tank is open!