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Seismic disturbances are generally a concern for dense urban areas. It seems unlikely that agricultural areas would care that much.

by pm90 5y ago

topspin 5y ago
Is there any conceivable burden urbanites don't imagine the people and land outside urban areas can tolerate? We don't live in grass yurts you know. Bridges and dams are a thing. Earthquakes are a problem. Deep fracking operations have demonstrated this already.
- pm90 5y ago
  > We don't live in grass yurts you know. Bridges and dams are a thing. Earthquakes are a problem. Deep fracking operations have demonstrated this already. What percentage of rural areas are situated in close proximity to large dams and bridges?
  - masklinn 5y ago
    Your statement is unclear, are you saying it doesn’t matter if dams and bridges get destroyed, or that it doesn’t matter if rural habitations get destroyed as long as they’re not destroyed near infrastructure?
    - pm90 5y ago
      It’s perfectly clear if you read it without trying to be deliberately obtuse.
- re6fae5Wied5tha 5y ago
  > Is there any conceivable burden urbanites don't imagine the people and land outside urban areas can tolerate? The burden of wealth.
- eru 5y ago
  Huh? Read my comment. I did not suggest there are no building in non-urban areas. Just fewer, and thus it would be less expensive to make them earthquake proof. Japan deals with natural earthquakes all the time. Earthquakes stronger than whatever a bit of geothermal energy production would produce.
  - masklinn 5y ago
    Because Japan deals with natural earthquakes all the time, japan has quake-safety standards. They were written in blood, and don’t exist in places which don’t routinely have earthquakes, because quake safety is constraining and expensive. Retrofitting an entire country for quake safety because you’ve decided to create artificial earthquakes is inane.
    - eru 5y ago
      Who suggested an entire country? We are talking about small-ish areas.
      - masklinn 5y ago
        You have literally no idea how wide the geological destabilisation would reach.
        eru 5y ago
        Given the example quoted, not all that far. One article talked about Strasbourg having some minor wobbles, not the entire region. They would have surely seized on the sensationalism of reporting a wider impact. Of course, there's no clear border. Wobbles will be biggest at the epicentre and get smaller further out. In any case, you just do the actuarial math, and figure out how much it would cost to wobble-prove buildings in the area in question, and stick that into your cost benefit analysis. It's not like other forms of energy generation are completely without downsides either.
numpad0 5y ago
Agriculture relies on stable water supply…
hutzlibu 5y ago
"It seems unlikely that agricultural areas would care that much." Why would you think that? Because the peasants are all too stupid to notice an earthquake that damage their houses? Sure, fewer people would be affected, than in a dense city, but the problem solution of: out of sight, out of mind, is fascinating.
- eru 5y ago
  You know that you can earthquake proof buildings? Offer to do that plus a bit of extra money on top, and you'll find plenty of rural takers. Pick the cheapest bidder.
  - hutzlibu 5y ago
    There surely are various solutions and it is also a solution to shift side effects to areas where fewer people are affected (and more easily compensated) - but the tone of that statement above was "who cares for rural areas" at least I read it like this, because why else would rural people not care about it?
    - eru 5y ago
      Which statement are you referring to? I do agree with the commenter who said that we don't need to earthquake proof agricultural land itself. Especially not against minor wobbles. Fields just lie there. (Just to avoid confusion: any buildings close to agricultural land need to be considered, of course. I am talking purely about the fields.)
- pm90 5y ago
  > Why would you think that? Because the peasants are all too stupid to notice an earthquake that damage their houses? Yes, exactly. I also don’t expect dense residential buildings prone to earthquakes to be prevalent in low density sparsely populated agricultural areas. There is nothing “fascinating” except that stating facts about rural areas immediately brings out the worst kinds of trolls out of the woodwork.
wongarsu 5y ago
In Germany you will be hard-pressed to find a place more than 10km/6mi from the nearest village with more than 500 inhabitants. Those people don't like earthquakes or cracked buildings either. Same thing in England.
- eru 5y ago
  Pay to earthquake proof their building and give them a bit of extra money on top. It's not that hard. Have a sort of auction to see who in the vicinity it willing to accept the geothermal plant for the cheapest. Keep in mind that Germany has plenty of open pit lignite mines. Like eg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Schleenhain_coal_mine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Schleenhain_coal_mine The disruption from geothermal is minuscule by comparison.

Seismic disturbances are generally a concern for dense urban areas. It seems unlikely that agricultural areas would care that much.

by pm90 5y ago

Seismic disturbances are generally a concern for dense urban areas. It seems unlikely that agricultural areas would care that much.

topspin 5y ago

Is there any conceivable burden urbanites don't imagine the people and land outside urban areas can tolerate? We don't live in grass yurts you know. Bridges and dams are a thing. Earthquakes are a problem. Deep fracking operations have demonstrated this already.

pm90 5y ago
> We don't live in grass yurts you know. Bridges and dams are a thing. Earthquakes are a problem. Deep fracking operations have demonstrated this already. What percentage of rural areas are situated in close proximity to large dams and bridges?
- masklinn 5y ago
  Your statement is unclear, are you saying it doesn’t matter if dams and bridges get destroyed, or that it doesn’t matter if rural habitations get destroyed as long as they’re not destroyed near infrastructure?
  - pm90 5y ago
    It’s perfectly clear if you read it without trying to be deliberately obtuse.
re6fae5Wied5tha 5y ago
> Is there any conceivable burden urbanites don't imagine the people and land outside urban areas can tolerate? The burden of wealth.
eru 5y ago
Huh? Read my comment. I did not suggest there are no building in non-urban areas. Just fewer, and thus it would be less expensive to make them earthquake proof. Japan deals with natural earthquakes all the time. Earthquakes stronger than whatever a bit of geothermal energy production would produce.
- masklinn 5y ago
  Because Japan deals with natural earthquakes all the time, japan has quake-safety standards. They were written in blood, and don’t exist in places which don’t routinely have earthquakes, because quake safety is constraining and expensive. Retrofitting an entire country for quake safety because you’ve decided to create artificial earthquakes is inane.
  - eru 5y ago
    Who suggested an entire country? We are talking about small-ish areas.
    - masklinn 5y ago
      You have literally no idea how wide the geological destabilisation would reach.
      - eru 5y ago
        Given the example quoted, not all that far. One article talked about Strasbourg having some minor wobbles, not the entire region. They would have surely seized on the sensationalism of reporting a wider impact. Of course, there's no clear border. Wobbles will be biggest at the epicentre and get smaller further out. In any case, you just do the actuarial math, and figure out how much it would cost to wobble-prove buildings in the area in question, and stick that into your cost benefit analysis. It's not like other forms of energy generation are completely without downsides either.

numpad0 5y ago

Agriculture relies on stable water supply…

hutzlibu 5y ago

"It seems unlikely that agricultural areas would care that much." Why would you think that? Because the peasants are all too stupid to notice an earthquake that damage their houses? Sure, fewer people would be affected, than in a dense city, but the problem solution of: out of sight, out of mind, is fascinating.

eru 5y ago
You know that you can earthquake proof buildings? Offer to do that plus a bit of extra money on top, and you'll find plenty of rural takers. Pick the cheapest bidder.
- hutzlibu 5y ago
  There surely are various solutions and it is also a solution to shift side effects to areas where fewer people are affected (and more easily compensated) - but the tone of that statement above was "who cares for rural areas" at least I read it like this, because why else would rural people not care about it?
  - eru 5y ago
    Which statement are you referring to? I do agree with the commenter who said that we don't need to earthquake proof agricultural land itself. Especially not against minor wobbles. Fields just lie there. (Just to avoid confusion: any buildings close to agricultural land need to be considered, of course. I am talking purely about the fields.)
pm90 5y ago
> Why would you think that? Because the peasants are all too stupid to notice an earthquake that damage their houses? Yes, exactly. I also don’t expect dense residential buildings prone to earthquakes to be prevalent in low density sparsely populated agricultural areas. There is nothing “fascinating” except that stating facts about rural areas immediately brings out the worst kinds of trolls out of the woodwork.

wongarsu 5y ago

In Germany you will be hard-pressed to find a place more than 10km/6mi from the nearest village with more than 500 inhabitants. Those people don't like earthquakes or cracked buildings either. Same thing in England.

eru 5y ago
Pay to earthquake proof their building and give them a bit of extra money on top. It's not that hard. Have a sort of auction to see who in the vicinity it willing to accept the geothermal plant for the cheapest. Keep in mind that Germany has plenty of open pit lignite mines. Like eg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Schleenhain_coal_mine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Schleenhain_coal_mine The disruption from geothermal is minuscule by comparison.