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I worry that handing out arms to civilians means Russia is going to have excuses for any civilian casualties from now on. Sprinkle an ak47 on the body take a p
by LegitShady 5y ago
I worry that handing out arms to civilians means Russia is going to have excuses for any civilian casualties from now on. Sprinkle an ak47 on the body take a picture and call it justified.
- woah 5y agoDo they care about having excuses?
- ch4s3 5y agoIt’s sounds like the Ukrainians have priced that in. There are already videos popping up of Brits, Canadians, and Americans firing on Russian positions around Kiev. I’m also hearing form some Ukrainians that they’re planning to make it Russia’s Vietnam.
- rcurry 5y agoI’m sure the US and allies will make that happen. This isn’t Afghanistan - even if the Russians occupy the Ukraine we will be supplying the insurgent forces with technology that will make the Russians feel like they’re fighting the Martians.
- ch4s3 5y agoI sincerely hope it doesn’t come to that.
- rcurry 5y agoAnd I’m right there with you.
- dragonwriter 5y ago> This isn’t Afghanistan Afghanistan was the USSR’s Vietnam, so I don't know why you'd say this isn’t Afghanistan in this context.
- rcurry 5y agoWhat I mean is that it will be a thousand times worse.
- ch4s3 5y agoI just saw that irregulars/volunteers are live-streaming the KIA that the Russians are leaving behind. It’s unbearably grisly.
- ch4s3 5y agoI think the parent comment means there’s kit that could be given to the Ukrainians that’s way better than what the Russians have without having to worry about bigger things like shoulder fired missiles a la Afghanistan in the 80s.
- antishatter 5y agoThere’s 0% chance this is accurate. While Russia is an aging and rusted military power their elite forces are still equipped exceedingly well.
- tomatotomato37 5y agoHaving elite forces with fancy equipment only matters if you use them well. If your only strategy is to yeet them far behind enemy lines while your main front with support is still bogged down then you won't have elite forces or fancy equipment much longer
- antishatter 5y agoWhere does this portrait of Russia as an incompetent troop army come from? I thought we learned with ww1 that portraying your enemy as weak and incompetent only created morale issues when they were tougher than expected?
- tomatotomato37 5y agoThe war going on right now is a good place to start. They did a massive air assault with elite VDV units without proper support, which caused them to lose Antonov Airport like six hours after capturing it, and are now wandering armor through urban areas that have AT nests camping out every window. Really the only reason they managed to do as well as have is their focus on shutting down Ukranian air in the initial missile wave and their sheer numbers. Ironically that train of thought is what is hampering Russia now, since their actions seem to communicate an expectation that they would have been able to just walk into Kyiv like they did for Crimea, and didn't expect the actual resistance of an army fighting for their home
- jupp0r 5y agoHave you read the original article? It's coming from Chechnya.
- ClumsyPilot 5y ago"we will be supplying the insurgent forces with technology that will make the Russians feel like they’re fighting the Martians" Would be nice if the West supplied Ukraine with all this technology before the war began in the 8 years prior - their airforce and Air defence are tiny and dated. So far the rich nations of the west mostly left Ukraine to the wolves - supplying only short-ranged squad level weapons and dated equipment.
- 2-718-281-828 5y agoWhere do you find those videos? On Twitter?
- ch4s3 5y agoThere’s a war videos Reddit, and I’m not on TikTok but apparently a lot of volunteers are streaming commentary with the camera pointed at the ground.
- moltar 5y ago> There are already videos popping up of Brits, Canadians, and Americans firing on Russian positions around Kiev. Any links?
- davidwritesbugs 5y agohttps://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/t0zhhw/british_volunteers_fighting_in_the_battle_for/ https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/t0zhhw/briti...
- awb 5y agoThere's nothing to stop anyone from claiming anything they want. It's word against word. There is no neutral authority that's going to investigate during the middle of a war. The only way to prove a war crime (like killing civilians), is documented evidence and/or testimony from fellow troops.
- wycy 5y agoRussia has such a history of making fake videos that hopefully any video "evidence" presented by them is immediately taken with mountains of salt anyway.
- awb 5y agoAlready a lot of video game footage online (mostly planes and explosions) masquerading as real video. Hopefully there’s AI analysis of video too to make sure it’s not manipulated.
- e12e 5y ago"military aged male".
- savant_penguin 5y agoIf you watch how a Russian armored vehicle went out of it's easy to trample an unarmed civilian car I'd say they do not care about having excuses Sometimes the only defense is to shoot back however you can
- 2-718-281-828 5y agoThere are several videos about that incident because it happend right next to another incident where a military truck got ambushed and the personal was killed. Those were wearing Ukrainian uniforms. I'd really like to know whose tank that was (seems to have been Ukrainian) and who steered it and why it crashed into the car. Might actually have been an attempt to avoid a perceived attack instead of intentional.
- dash2 5y agoLink/source?
- reducesuffering 5y agohttps://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/t17w2b/ukrainian_ambush_a_truck_you_will_see_the_armor/ https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/t17w2b/u... NSFW/Graphic
- cjbgkagh 5y agoI think the driver survived, I saw a video of them being extracted from the crushed car.
- fuoqi 5y agoThe car was trampled by an anti-air system on the Ukranian controlled territory, no?
- tablespoon 5y ago> I worry that handing out arms to civilians means Russia is going to have excuses for any civilian casualties from now on. Sprinkle an ak47 on the body take a picture and call it justified. Why it that the thing you worry about? The Russians have demonstrated they'll blatantly lie to justify their actions, no connection to reality needed.
- Spooky23 5y agoThat will happen anyway. Asymmetrical warfare always goes that way, especially with conscript armies.
- nitwit005 5y agoI'm not sure it'll make much difference. The Russians haven't seemed to have worried all that much about civilian casualties in past conflicts.
- SamTwardowski 5y agoMany Russians have Ukrainian ancestry and/or family in Ukraine - especially in the southern parts of Russia. If the Russian army wanted to inflict higher civilian casualties they could, but that's not the goal.
- dash2 5y agoDoes Putin care though? If he orders eg missile strikes on cities….
- stjohnswarts 5y agoI think you're making the mistake that Russians care if they kill innocents or that Putin cares how they win.
- HWR_14 5y agoWhat civilian casualties to justify? You don't send cremation trucks with your forces because you want an accurate accounting of the dead. The number of people who are just going to disappear - on both sides - is sobering.
- xdennis 5y agoRussia's excuse so far is that their Jewish president is a Nazi. There's no reason to worry about what excuses they can create in the future.