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The problem is that a finite number of human moderators can't win a fight against an infinite number of spammer robots. Also, keep in mind that humans aren't in
by Aunche 5y ago
The problem is that a finite number of human moderators can't win a fight against an infinite number of spammer robots. Also, keep in mind that humans aren't infallible judges, especially if you're reviewing hundreds of videos a day.
- tyingq 5y agoIt remains amusing to me that Google is able to be stymied by what is probably a ~200 person or less sweatshop of hackers and spammers. It doesn't match all their bravado about their level of expertise in AI/ML, automation, troves of metadata and historical patterns, etc.
- Aunche 5y agoIt's not a symmetric battle. The team of hackers and spammers has nothing to lose. Even if they're only successful 1% of the time, it's still a win.
- tyingq 5y agoI'd venture it has more to do with where Google applies all that expertise. If it were hurting them, I imagine they would solve it quickly.
- Scarblac 5y agoAnd even without all the AI, nothing is stopping Google from employing ten thousand human moderators or whatever.
- ChrisLomont 5y agoCost is a really big stopping reason. The problem not being worth solving to Google is another.
- ipaddr 5y agoAre you saying they can't tell what the topic of a video is about automatically.. because they can. Using that information I would implement a system that would figure out the topic and prevent bots flagging that specific content only.
- bushbaba 5y agoWhen a system involves a human it's harder to massively infiltrate it. Take counting votes. A bad human here or there could fudge the tally of pen on paapper ballots. BUT if you attempted to compromise a large percentage of these human ballot counters, one of the other human counters would start to notice and alert the world to it. Compromising a system that involves 100k people is generally harder than compromising a computer algo.
- TheKarateKid 5y agoI don't believe this argument for a second. Google almost single-handedly solved the problem of email spam a decade ago. And yet, robot accounts are a problem? For the company that loves encouraging obnoxious Captcha's to self-fund their AI/ML research and data harvest the web, they surely don't seem to like using it on their own platforms.
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- andrewflnr 5y agoGoogle's spam blocking is showing cracks, too.
- ChrisLomont 5y ago>Google almost single-handedly solved the problem of email spam a decade ago Google still has to routinely invent new techniques to stop spam. This problem is not solved - it's an ongoing arms race. It is also a vastly easier problem - spam filters at google scale work because they see the same spam across zillions of accounts. This is not the case for youtube, where a spammer provides them with far fewer samples, and those are across a much wider space. These problems are barely related.
- Tijdreiziger 5y agoRecently, comment sections of popular YT videos are littered with bots spamming links accompanied by phrases like 'hot girls' and '18+ only'. They're everywhere, and this really doesn't strike me as an inherently hard problem to solve. (In fact, I wonder who these spammers are targeting. Surely the average YT user is smart enough to recognize blatant spam?)
- mrguyorama 5y agoCheck this video by linus tech tips https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zo_uoFI1WXM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zo_uoFI1WXM Some random dude built an anti youtube comment spam tool. Youtube could absolutely fix this problem, they just don't care